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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by timmytokyo »

hedora wrote: post #286
timmytokyo wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a highly deceptive description of the UN human rights rapporteur's report. The report claimed nothing about the veracity of the allegations that led to the Swedish investigation. Instead, it objected to the fact that Assange was detained without formal charges being made by the Swedish government. To complain that this report reveals the allegations as "complete fabrications" is in itself a complete fabricati…

The human rights rapporteur published an essay describing his experience investigating the allegations made by Assange’s lawyers. (I don’t have the link handy. It starts with a few paragraphs explaining that he did his best to avoid investigating the matter because it seemed like a politically wrought waste of time. Among other things, he concluded that the investigation conducted by the Swedish government violated m…

There were two women who went to Swedish authorities and accused Assange of committing a crime: one who reported that Assange tore his condom intentionally before ejaculating, and a second who reported that she awoke to find Assange penetrating her without her consent. You left out the second woman. In fact it is this second woman whose lawyer requested in 2019 that the investigation by Swedish prosecutors be resumed [1].

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/may/13/sweden-reopens...

So no, the allegations were not "revealed as complete fabrications" by the UN rapporteur's report, and it is more than a mere exaggeration to say they were.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by three_seagrass »

fwklein wrote: post #321
three_seagrass wrote: post #305

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Source? Because the majority of the 'leaks' posted by WL about Russia were outdated/minimal. Meanwhile, Julian Assanage has a television show on RT[1], the state-sponsored media for the Russian government [2], meaning he's literally paid by a Russian propaganda organization. [1] https://www.rt.com/news/456280-julian-assange-rt-show/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Assessments_an...

RT was just one of a dozen media outlets Assange had offered his show to in 2012. His show was produced completely independent from RT. By the way, Larry King had a show on RT. Is he a russian stooge now too?

Except Julian Assange's show premiered specifically for and on RT[1], and it would have been weird for RT to produce it as a news network. Larry King didn't premier on RT and didn't leak emails from Russian state-sponsored hackers Guccifer 2.0.

You've created an HN account for the sole purpose of astroturfing this thread to apologize for Assange against Russian allegations - Why is that?

[1] https://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/assange-tv-pres...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dependenttypes »

_curious_ wrote: post #224
rorykoehler wrote: post #171

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Still waiting for a valid explanation of what pizza is code for because they certainly aren’t talking about pizza the food in those emails.

Has it been proven that those emails were real in the first place? I too was confused by the use of what appears to be coded language, but then thought to myself: wait, is what I am reading authentic?

The DKIM signatures were valid.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dependenttypes »

shadowgovt wrote: post #123
0x8BADF00D wrote: post #107

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HIV can cause Kaposi’s sarcoma, so that could have caused his cancer. It’s actually not that far outside the realm of possibility. Condom use was not very common in the 70s and one can live with HIV dormant for many years.

But the relevant question is "Why should a person's private medical history be public knowledge?"

I would argue that it became public knowledge the moment that the would-be leaker (along with any 3rd parties) learned about it, not the moment that it was leaked.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by bluesign »

cletus wrote: post #222

So Americans love nothing more than to see the world as a collection of slippery slopes so there'll be the Assange defenders who argue this is an attack on press freedom but... I urge you to look a little deeper. There are two major issues here: 1. Assange actively participated in the acquisition of classified material. This came up in the Chelsea Manning. Pointing to tools that can be useful. Prompting action. That…

Imagine for a second, someone telling you there is proof in safe, you telling them to acquire this proof from this safe (which has access), then this person is caught and later pardoned by potus.

Later they come after you.

I am not from US, but this kinda doesnt look right.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by ShamelessC »

bigbob2 wrote: post #271
ShamelessC wrote: post #95

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I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

What does that have to do with Assange being charged? EDIT: It seems any effort to seek clarification is discouraged here. My apologies.

Sorry you were downvoted. Here's an upvote on me because clarification is good.

The context you are missing is that there are some sibling comments here claiming that wikileaks has never posted info with questionable veracity. I believe the Steve Jobs leak is one such case.

I also was pointing out that sometimes certain types of information don't need to be leaked at all. I personally believe medical info should be very private unless perhaps you are running for the office of the President. But, as I said, there are probably multiple perspectives on the issue (particularly perspectives of people who would want Apple's stock price to go down, or might think of Steve Jobs as evil for the Foxconn scandals, for instance).

Hope that helps.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dependenttypes »

BFatts wrote: post #235
ShamelessC wrote: post #95

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I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

I'm generally against Assange on all of this. Hacking is an illegal activity that results in the disclosure of information that the hacker does not own. This is theft of information and a federal offense. Anyone engaging is nefarious hacking should be jailed, if caught, and never allowed to use technology again. We have very lax laws when it comes to hacking - they need to be stronger.

> Hacking is an illegal activity

And it should not be

> that results in the disclosure of information that the hacker does not own

Good thing I do not believe in intellectual property/owning numbers.

> This is theft of information

Copying is not theft.

> Anyone engaging is nefarious hacking should be

...given a monetary reward if they publish how they were able to gain unauthorized access.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dependenttypes »

ben_w wrote: post #306
BFatts wrote: post #235

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I'm generally against Assange on all of this. Hacking is an illegal activity that results in the disclosure of information that the hacker does not own. This is theft of information and a federal offense. Anyone engaging is nefarious hacking should be jailed, if caught, and never allowed to use technology again. We have very lax laws when it comes to hacking - they need to be stronger.

I’m not against use of hacking to reveal higher crimes. I am against hacking in general. I see no good reason for him to have targeted a newspaper. I do see good reason to target secretive government agencies. I see good reason for those agencies to have a problem with this and go after anyone who does it. I am against government agencies having bad enough security that they can be so targeted. Assange isn’t in priso…

> he got kicked out of for breaking their rules

This was not really the reason.

> and which he fled to because for some reason that never made sense to me he claimed that going from the UK to Sweden put him in danger of the thing which actually happened in the UK.

He feared that either the UK or Sweden would send him to the US.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by sitkack »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #140
sitkack wrote: post #92

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When we have unfallable machinery in place to keep secrets safe, and no honorable people to leak them what will we have then? Is the world worse off because of the Pentagon papers? You bring up Plame, but I think you are doing your readers a disservice in not citing that she was exposed not by journalist, but by a people in power to silence the truth that her husband was speaking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_…

I'm actually aware of the story. I'm outraged. My father was quite liberal. You may have missed the part where I mentioned that he quit the CIA on moral grounds? It's just that if he had been outed, there's a better than even chance that I would have been killed, so you might say that I have a right to my opinion.

I can't argue against what could have happened, all leaks are not bad. Yes, your timeline would have changed if your father had been killed by a leak.

But if we look at what did happen with Wikileaks esp relative to what Richard Armitage did to Valerie Plame and the CIA and that no known violence has occurred against [redacted] folks from the Wikileaks releases.

All leaks and all leakers are not the same. Wikileaks put great effort in working with journalists to carefully redact information and report the news, to shine light where it needed shining. And Dick Army outed an agent and her team and forced it to shut down to harm a political opponent.

If anyone belongs in jail it is Dick Army and not Julian Assange.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by travmatt »

mint2 wrote: post #223
cm2187 wrote: post #79

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Not sure I understand your point, he is not being indicted for publishing false information. Assuming he never did, why would that make the charges bullshit?

It’s a common talking point people use to obfuscate and defend wikileaks. As you note, it’s irrelevant but also, if true, illustrates how selectively showing true info is deceptive.

The better question is whether he’s buried true facts in order to help public figures. There’s strong evidence he’s censored whistleblowers leaking damaging documents about Russia involvement in syria[0], along with his pretty open partnership with the Russian government.

[0]https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/9/9/12864328/wiki...

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