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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Have you ever applied to a job and been asked if your college was accredited? Have you ever hired someone and stopped to check if their college was accredited?

Why would someone ask? The information is available. And if I see a degree from a university I don't recognize and then discover it's unaccredited, sure, that's a red flag. You can't get employment in my industry without a degree from a regionally accredited university.

What industry are you in? I guess it isn't CS, because you don't even need a degree here. And the context of this thread is CS.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Because moral philosophy and epistemology have been a thing for well over 4,000 years, and college could easily teach the basics.

This. The humanities are glossed over at best in public high schools across the United States. I don't know of one that requires a PHIL intro course of students. College is not vocational training (unless you're a law or medicine student), it's for learning how to think.

> The humanities are glossed over at best in public high schools across the United States. I don't know of one that requires a PHIL intro course of students.

I'm not sure how much weight this argument holds.. The whole "gen ed" thing is a rather US-centric concept.

I don't know of any universities in the UK that require a PHIL intro course of students. When you go to university, you overwhelmingly study the one course ("major") that you picked beforehand. There's often a small amount of room on many courses for optionals from other fields, if you want to take them, but this is by no means mandatory and I'd say the proportion of folks doing philosophy modules studying a different degree at my alma mater was slim.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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This is under the assumption that you see college is a program of self-betterment and not busy work for receiving a degree that says you can have a middle-class job. It feels like even the universities themselves see it as the latter these days.

The cynical anti-intellectualism in this thread is bracing. All part of the zeitgeist I guess. News is fake. Science is fake. Schools are barriers. Everything is subjective, objective reality is nonexistent. How do we have productive disagreements going forward?

Your post lacks nuance.

Some news is fake, some isn't.

Some science is fake, some isn't.

Schools are barriers, but for many elements of a school, the fact that it's a barrier is a good thing--we don't want ignorant people performing in roles that where knowledge is required. The problem is that many elements of schools are barriers which are poor at achieving their purpose, or are directly counterproductive to their purpose.

> How do we have productive disagreements going forward?

That's a complicated question, but oversimplifying the opinions of people we disagree with and then labeling it ("cynical anti-intellectualism") isn't the answer.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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"Peer learning" is implement primarily in two ways at UoPeople. The first is through discussion forums. We are required to post a response to a discussion prompt each week. We return to write a minimum of three responses to our peers, and we also assess their response on a scale of 0-10. The idea is that peers will touch on different aspects, extend one another's learning, and engage in further discussion. In reality…

Local community college online classes has that same mandatory writing something and responding 3 times. I really disliked it. Forcing that sort of thing with such specific requirements made it so the majority were talking without much care at all. I was the same as I don’t like the forced interaction. At least the way it was set up.

This is a common approach used in online courses. I taken both undergrad and grad courses which required it, and it doesn't really help raise the level of discourse. I don't like it for that reason. It comes across as "make work."

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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I won't name names since I've buried the hatchet but here's a story along those lines. During a hotly contested political debate in my city a person who called himself a doctor (psych therapist, to be precise) showed up at a council meeting and threatened a city council member from my district. Being the data-fluent person I am I offered to help, so I pulled all of the person in question's educational, legal, and acc…

> If not, this guy planned the whole thing as his escape from the car burning bit and new career as a psychiatrist with shady credentials. Psychiatrists are medical doctors, and the rules on who gets to practice in the US are for practical purposes written by the AMA. That guy was not a licensed psychiatrist. He wouldn’t even be allowed to sit the first levels of the requisite exams.

You're right, I mixed up my 'iatrists and 'ologists.

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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Let's be honest about schools like UofP and WGU. They exist to provide a cheap and easy way for experienced professionals to get that piece of paper to bypass a HR checkbox, nothing more. If you are serious about learning, look elsewhere.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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post #321

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This. The humanities are glossed over at best in public high schools across the United States. I don't know of one that requires a PHIL intro course of students. College is not vocational training (unless you're a law or medicine student), it's for learning how to think.

> The humanities are glossed over at best in public high schools across the United States. I don't know of one that requires a PHIL intro course of students. I'm not sure how much weight this argument holds.. The whole "gen ed" thing is a rather US-centric concept. I don't know of any universities in the UK that require a PHIL intro course of students. When you go to university, you overwhelmingly study the one cours…

No wonder the UK's app startups are even more ridiculous than the US's app startups ;).

Yes, gen-ed is ubiquitous in the US. If you're in any humanities related program in the state I live in (Texas, so that's probably 25-30 large universities total), you'll have to take an intro PHIL course at least, which will probably be Plato and a random survey of 19th century European readings.

More is highly recommended for students looking for law school admission after their undergraduate degree at the state-owned college I attended.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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After seeing a lot of comments here discussing accreditation, I figured it may be beneficial to many readers to know about low cost, more transferrable, options for college credits. I have to stress though, there are lots of a-hole universities so try to find one that is ok with transferring large numbers of credits. You can't get an entire degree from this, but you can get most of the fluff class requirements you do…

I'll append a few more.

Sophia Learning is currently offering their courses for free through July. They are ACE "accredited" (recommend is actually the proper term, I believe). I think they're normally ~$300-350.

There are several of us students doing courses there to transfer in.

Study.com offers many courses in CS and other areas which are ACE recommended. They charge $199 a month and an exam fee. If I recall correctly, you get so many exams in the monthly fee.

AP exams are another option.

DSST offers credit by exams.

And Excelsior College offers credit by exam as well, but I'm not sure of the costs.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Seeing a lot of negative comments here, especially around accreditation and pricing. As a co-founder of an accredited online university, son of a retired state university professor father, and grandson of a retired state university professor grandmother, I'd like to offer my own perspective.

University of the People is accredited by the Distance Education Accrediting Commission (DEAC), a national accreditor recognized by the U.S. Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). CHEA recognized accreditors can be browsed here: https://www.chea.org/chea-recognized-organizations

DEAC is a US-based, non-profit accreditation agency founded in 1926. Our university (quantic.edu) was also accredited by DEAC. It was a multi-year process, and extremely rigorous; we were evaluated across all aspects of our organization: academic, operational, financial, etc. Many schools that begin the accreditation process do not successfully complete it. As the name suggests, DEAC specializes in distance education, so it's a good choice for a university that offers purely online programs. Some accreditors have requirements that implicitly or explicitly exclude online universities; for example, there might be a requirement for a physical library of a certain size. Regional accreditation also often takes longer, or requires you to have been in operation for more years. However, when comparing notes with my retired academic family members, there were similarities in the required documentation for DEAC to what was needed in the regional accreditation renewal process.

A prerequisite for accreditation in the US is licensing at the state level and compliance with all state laws within which the university has a physical presence. This means that you need to be very careful about where your school has physical offices and from which states you advertise and enroll students. Note that licensing is also required for issuing certificates, not just degrees; this is a common mistake for education startups, especially bootcamps. Lambda School [1] and Flatiron [2] were both slapped for this.

The differences between regional and national accreditation often boil down to "regional accreditation means credits are more likely to transfer." However, one thing that's thrown a huge wrench into this is that in 2019, the US Department of Education revised its rules to eliminate the distinction between national and regional accreditors! [3] This rule change will take effect in July 2020. The impact of this (and related) rule changes on credit transfer and how universities market their accreditation are open to speculation.

Regarding the University of People's pricing, it's important to note that they advertise as "tuition free." Terms like tuition have a very specific meaning in the world of higher education, and are considered distinct from "fees," for example. This is why UofP does not market itself as simply being "free," like we do for our early career MBA program. To use the word "free" unconditionally, DEAC requires us to prove our early career MBA students can apply, enroll, study, and graduate having paid no tuition or fees whatsoever. On the other hand, if you do charge for tuition, like we do for our Executive MBA, DEAC requires you to disclose all payment details up-front; this is why almost anywhere on our website where we reference a price, or even affordability, we also include a link to display a breakdown of tuition, payment plans, scholarships, discounts, and other potential fees.

The higher education space is very regulated, so innovation can be challenging. It's important to remember that most innovative organizations have to (at least initially) make tradeoffs to better serve a subset of the market over incumbents. Our raison d'etre is active learning, for example; we eschew passive lectures (no video professor) in favor of a proprietary interactive learning format that's mobile-first and broken up into small modules. This has numerous advantages for the learner, but it also means that our bespoke curriculum structure can't be easily packaged up into transfer credits. As a graduate school, we decided that was a reasonable tradeoff to enable innovation in the core learning experience. Likewise, we decided to pursue a quality-first strategy (see: Tesla master plan), building a deep, challenging curriculum with a selective admissions process (less than 10% admitted) to establish the value of the school and alumni network, with the plan to launch more open programs down the line.

If you've read this far, I hope that you at least take away the fact that building something new in the higher education space is hard. If some aspect of a program appears odd at first glance, consider if the diversion from the norm might also confer an advantage with a specific audience. And when evaluating educational program options, don't discount the value of a licensed and accredited provider recognized by the US Department of Education or CHEA.

[1] https://www.educationdive.com/news/running-without-state-app... [2] https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2017/ag-schneiderman-announc.... [3] https://www.natlawreview.com/article/us-department-education...

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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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So the savvy move if you have the cash is to do your three years and then what transfer to your final year at WGU? That's so smart. What more do you know about this strategy? Can you introduce me to anyone who has done this?

If you're on Yammer, look for the group "UoPeople Computer Science Majors Discord Server." Post a message to that group about HN. I'll find you and send an invite. Several of the students on that Discord are doing this or have done this. I know one is just about to graduate from WGU after doing it.

I posted in the group. Can you invite me too?
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