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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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He keeps it only because of his current title. I would not be the least bit surprised if he loses it the second another person is elected president. He will definitely lose it once another person is inaugurated.

Why do you say that Trump will definitely lose it once another person is inaugurated, but only maybe when another person is elected president? Honest question. Edit: I know election and inauguration are separate, I was wondering about the significance of this to Twitter.

Trump would still be president between the election and inauguration.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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You’re barking up the wrong tree. I wrote “democratic,” thought it looked wrong as it seemed more the adjective of “Democracy” rather than “member of the Democratic Party,” didn’t want to look it up on my phone because I cannot multitask for the life of me on my iPhone, and there you go. Anyway, you do realize that the very fact that I was linking to "here's what someone in a position to challenge or at least refuse…

You felt the need to refer to someone as a proponent of democracy?

Other way around, obviously.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I will reemphasize an opinion I expressed on an earlier thread: this is an overtly totalitarian move designed to intimidate and suppress private entities' protected expression, disguised as a reaction to perceived bias (which would still be an invalid pretense for any such order). It's a disgusting attack on an American industry by our own executive.

Is providing fact-check links to the tweets of a specific person or group considered editorizing? Twitter said offering fact-check was not editorization, but the critics said that fact-checking a targeted group was. I have yet to see anyone clarify that key difference.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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From day one it seemed to me like Trump's main goal was desecrating the federal state institutions. Seriously, the guy seems as if he cares only about stepping on the constitution and laws. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't POTUS executive orders only serve to direct the federal government, his employees? Twitter is definitely not a federal agency. Why are a lot of people treating this situation like Trump is able t…

Part of the premise is directing the agencies not to spend money on those platforms that violate the EO.

But does the US government even now buy any of Twitter's advertisement?

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I will reemphasize an opinion I expressed on an earlier thread: this is an overtly totalitarian move designed to intimidate and suppress private entities' protected expression, disguised as a reaction to perceived bias (which would still be an invalid pretense for any such order). It's a disgusting attack on an American industry by our own executive.

Sorry big tech is subject to antitrust laws that have been on the books for 120+ years. The Federal Government could break Twitter up into 10 different pieces if it deemed the service a monopoly. That's not totalitarian, that's clearly justified. These platforms claim all the immunity of a utility while actively engaging in algorithmic and human-induced bias that completely slants the platform. In some cases the plat…

Twitter doesn't have a monopoly on short messages posted online, and it's no real loss if I don't use Twitter at all. The closest internet company to being a monopoly is clearly Google, and that's because it's nearly impossible to avoid them. Twitter ain't there yet.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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We really have reached the stage where "facts have a well-known liberal bias", haven't we?

What is and isn't fact is for people to decide by themselves based on evidence. Not whatever Twitter decides is the truth. There are very few hard facts in this world especially surrounding politics.

> What is and isn't fact is for people to decide by themselves based on evidence.

That is why Twitter is linking some facts to go along with the President's tweets.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I will reemphasize an opinion I expressed on an earlier thread: this is an overtly totalitarian move designed to intimidate and suppress private entities' protected expression, disguised as a reaction to perceived bias (which would still be an invalid pretense for any such order). It's a disgusting attack on an American industry by our own executive.

Sorry big tech is subject to antitrust laws that have been on the books for 120+ years. The Federal Government could break Twitter up into 10 different pieces if it deemed the service a monopoly. That's not totalitarian, that's clearly justified. These platforms claim all the immunity of a utility while actively engaging in algorithmic and human-induced bias that completely slants the platform. In some cases the plat…

The problem is not the existence of anti-trust laws and other regulations - these things are good. The problem is the blatant political use of these tools. If a company becomes a problem to the Trump regime, they will use the full array of existing laws to prosecute them, at the same time when they are dismantling legislation that targets their allies.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He keeps it only because of his current title. I would not be the least bit surprised if he loses it the second another person is elected president. He will definitely lose it once another person is inaugurated.

Why do you say that Trump will definitely lose it once another person is inaugurated, but only maybe when another person is elected president? Honest question. Edit: I know election and inauguration are separate, I was wondering about the significance of this to Twitter.

Because it does not happen the same day.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #92

What's surprising is how often I encounter fellow Americans mistakenly asserting the first amendment extends beyond government and into the private sector. It's like they've never even been to a movie theater where they need to shut the hell up or leave. And here we have a US president signing an executive order in response to being moderated on a web site after years of arguably excessive tolerance of his b.s. I'm n…

Social media are the broadcasters of this age. I see no reason why they should be exempt from the same rules and regulations as old school broadcasters.

The legacy OTA broadcasters were granted exclusive licenses to large chunks of a scarce natural resource (RF spectrum). Their public service obligations are essentially their payments on those licenses. Cable channels are under no obligation to carry news programming, for example, and are allowed to swear.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I will reemphasize an opinion I expressed on an earlier thread: this is an overtly totalitarian move designed to intimidate and suppress private entities' protected expression, disguised as a reaction to perceived bias (which would still be an invalid pretense for any such order). It's a disgusting attack on an American industry by our own executive.

As far as I understand stripping these protections from social media companies will strongly encourage them to do far far more editorializing.

This is bad for the companies (more liabilities) bad for freedom of speech (fewer views are expressed) and also bad for the president and his party (since social media companies already lean against them).

Trump is an idiot.

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