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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by fluffything »

MemoryLeaker wrote: post #232
hidiegomariani wrote: post #149

I've a macbook pro 13' 2017 - It's the worst laptop I've used in the past 10 years. It continuously gets smoking hot lot of fan noise and very often kernel panics. I have lost faith in apple macbook especially when price to hardware ratio is higher than anyone else in the industry I expect the machine to just work seamlessly. I'm very soon disposing the laptop and buy a dell or a thinkpad. I'm not looking at apple ag…

ThinkPad X1 Carbon is my dream I wish I wasn't poor :(

I have one sitting on a closet. It sucks too.

I am honestly astonished at how bad hardware companies are at incrementally improving their products. Every new "improvement" (new CPU) comes with a huge completely-unrelated drawback for no reason (horrible keyboard, touchbar, .......)

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ethbro »

deepGem wrote: post #346
tw04 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

My gripe with the touch bar is that for every IDE you have to customise it to see the function keys by default. It's so damn annoying. Why can't the default layout be just the Fn keys ?

> Why can't the default layout be just the Fn keys ?

Because then no software would have used it. (Said ironically)

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by SnowflakeOnIce »

dubcanada wrote: post #207
shawndellysse wrote: post #8

So glad they finally got rid of the butterfly keyboard! That said, I cannot wait until they retire the Touch Bar.

What's your problem with the touch bar? My biggest was the lack of esc key, but they adjusted that. I actually really like the touch bar. I don't use it very often, but I never used function keys.

I’m a touch typist, and don’t look at the keyboard much. The Touch Bar, being a large smooth piece of plastic, breaks this flow.

Additionally, the Touch Bar has awful latency... hundreds of milliseconds to reconfigure itself when switching between apps??

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by insulanian »

I was so looking forward to the rumored 14-inch MBP, in which case I would have upgraded my MBP Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015.

Also, having no option for a keyboard with function keys on any MBP model anymore is just disappointing. Why are they so stubborn with that touchbar?!

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

pbnjay wrote: post #228

Only two USB-C ports?!? That's really disappointing, I always have a yubikey in one so that only leaves one free. Seeing this, I'm actually more inclined to get the Air since it has faster ram, a newer processor, and no touch bar. (I'd love 32gb but at Apple prices I could VPN to a custom built rig and still be under budget)

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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by mpweiher »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #189
bnt wrote: post #38

What I find irritating is the fact that you have to get the 2ghz CPU in order to be able to get 32gb RAM. It feels like artificial price inflation because the refresh is definitely not as exciting as people had hoped (no 14" micro LED screen, like every single "leak" suggested). Also, the base CPU is an 8th gen chip, you need to fork out a lot of extra $$$ to get to 10th gen.

32Gb of ram requires DDR4 which in this case, requires 10th gen chips. Reading through this, I can't help but think this feels like Apple's 2.5Ghz PowerMac G5 all over again, back in like 2004. Back then, they promised a 3Ghz G5 CPU in under a year and IBM just couldn't do it. Apple even noted it as why they were switching to Intel at the time. They couldn't keep promises and it seemingly pissed Steve off to the poin…

> why they were switching to Intel at the time. They couldn't keep promises

Makes the switch to their own ARM chips even more plausible.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ProZsolt »

criddell wrote: post #242
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

One reason I'll recommend an Apple product over any PC to friends is the Apple Store. Aside from being able to see and play with the hardware, Apple's support experience is better than any PC maker's. Why doesn't Dell open a store in every neighborhood that has an Apple store? They should be able to match the Apple consumer experience, but more importantly (to Dell), they could run business support operations from th…

Dell has way better support than Apple. (I only have experience with it in Europe, but I think in the US would be the same)

You don't need to take anywhere. You call support and a technician will show up at your office/house and change the part on the spot. [1]

Where Apple shines is when you travel internationally. Apple offer an international warranty. If you buy a product in the EU they will fix/exchange it under warranty in the US or anywhere else in the world.

[1] https://www.dell.com/downloads/emea/services/uk/en/in_home_s...

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by SnowflakeOnIce »

sturza wrote: post #317
curiousgal wrote: post #13

Another year, another laughable release with the same BS language trying to dazzle "Pro" wanna-be's. There is nothing Pro about these machines.

if 32 GB is not “pro”, i don’t know if we have the same understanding about what “pro” means

That’s like... 1 Slack and a dozen Chrome tabs. :|

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by grecy »

fluffything wrote: post #253
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

For at least 20 years it's been cheaper to buy a round trip ticket to the USA and a macbook pro than it is to just buy one in Australia.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by icedchai »

fartcannon wrote: post #214
infecto wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot agree more. At least for myself i would add MacOS as a huge plus over any other laptop. I know many people work in Linux but I just for the life of me cannot make it as comfortable as MacOS.

The thing I dont understand about OSX is the Finder situation. It's just awful. Installation is awful, finding applications is awful, navigating to the system folders is awful. It's very much like Windows and it's pretending Desktop is the root folder and then hiding everything behind databases of My Documents. Dont make me jump through hoops to find computery stuff.

I usually navigate directories from the command line. If I want to do something that needs Finder (like drag and drop a file) I run an "open ." to pop a Finder window with the current directory.
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