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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by jimktrains2 »

onion2k wrote: post #257
jimktrains2 wrote: post #189

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Maybe the solution is to let go of this notion that every device needs to render exactly the way the designers want and embrace that difference. I've been on the internet since the mid 90s. I'm well aware of what was, andit was that way because people then as now wanted things to look and act exactly like they wanted and not embrace that not everyone wants or needs your carefully crafted graphical design.

I don't have any notion that sites should be exactly the same in every browser, but they should be approximately the same. Having two browsers render the same HTML in completely different ways would be very odd.

>Having two browsers render the same HTML in completely different ways would be very odd

Or completely normal? Why shouldn't I bump up my minimum don't size to help read text and reduce eyestrain? Ditto for fixing low contrast text.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by criley2 »

scarface74 wrote: post #280
criley2 wrote: post #260

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Virtualizating Windows isn't very hard, even back to something like Windows 95. On the other hand, only OSX 10.7+ are really easy to run in a VM, and .5 and .6 only work for servers, and anything before 10.5 isn't really going to be compatible with virtualization. That's 2007, so OSX lets you virtualize back about 13 years, and Windows you can go back almost 30 years. People even have Win 3.1 running in VMware. This…

A quick Google search for running PPC Mac software under emulation. https://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/macintosh.shtml#pow... For the most part yes. If you want to run Mac software you need to own Mac. As far as going back 30 years. Now you’re in the Classic Mac era. There are plenty of cross platform emulators that run Mac software that old. If you want to go back 40 years. Apple // emulators are a dime a doze…

That's fair, but this was about virtualization not emulation. Similar but different, but that's certainly a solution too.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by DannyB2 »

Remember the Front Page license.

Originally, Front Page had a four page license. It specified that if you use Front Page to create a web site, you cannot disparage Microsoft, Expedia and a list of several other Microsoft owned properties.

So with a license like that, I can't assume that any site created with Front Page is unbiased when it comes to a list of various Microsoft owned properties.

After the slashdot effect (long ago) Microsoft removed this from the license.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by tcgv »

angrygoat wrote: post #144
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

Back in 2001 I redid the UWA computer club website ( https://ucc.asn.au/ ) using XSLT with a custom doctype ('grahame'). In the early 2000s XML was the cool shiny thing. They're still using it, in fact I found out recently that someone wrote a Markdown to 'doctype grahame' converter to 'modernise' the site. I guess what I actually built back then was an early static site generator, but it's still kind of cool they're…

Last time I worked with XSLT was in 2014, redesigning a major Brazilian airline reservation and ticketing system. At the time their passenger service system (Navitaire New Skies [1]) had already switched their white label front-end app from a home grown XSLT web framework to ASP .NET MVC 5, but the company I was working for wasn't particularly interested in paying the (higher) fee for using the "new" front-end framework.

[1] https://www.navitaire.com/new-skies-reservation-system

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by MarioMan »

criley2 wrote: post #260
scarface74 wrote: post #248

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So if emulation or a VM is your go to. How is that any different than what yuh can do with older versions of MacOS?

Virtualizating Windows isn't very hard, even back to something like Windows 95. On the other hand, only OSX 10.7+ are really easy to run in a VM, and .5 and .6 only work for servers, and anything before 10.5 isn't really going to be compatible with virtualization. That's 2007, so OSX lets you virtualize back about 13 years, and Windows you can go back almost 30 years. People even have Win 3.1 running in VMware. This…

>OSX virtualization has a hard requirement for running on Mac hardware.

If you aren't a stickler for Apple's terms of service (if you're doing this for business purposes, I suggest you should be), you can use a tool called macOS unlocker to patch VMWare Workstation to run macOS VMs. Runs great, though all VMWare products can only render display output for macOS in software mode.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by virtue3 »

scarface74 wrote: post #329
cptskippy wrote: post #315

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I would disagree, most of what was brought from Classic OS was ported, adapted, out of necessity and short lived. OSX was an entirely new operating system that ported some frameworks and software but wasn't backward compatible. Were it so, they wouldn't have provided an emulator. I think you're just supporting the original assertion that Apple does not support things for very long. Does Software written for OS X v10.…

You call the Carbon API that existed from 2001-2018 “short lived”? The entire Carbon API was used to port software like PhotoShop and Office. Carbon was a port of enough of the Classic API to port major important programs. AppleScript is still built into the current version of OS X. It was introduced in 1993-94 And seeing that 10.1 was PPC only, do you expect them to keep a PPC emulator around? Can you run PPC based…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_(API)

"Carbon was an important part of Apple's strategy for bringing Mac OS X to market, offering a path for quick porting of existing software applications, as well as a means of shipping applications that would run on either Mac OS X or the classic Mac OS. As the market has increasingly moved to the Cocoa-based frameworks, especially after the release of iOS, the need for a porting library was diluted. Apple did not create a 64-bit version of Carbon while updating their other frameworks in the 2007 time-frame, and eventually deprecated the entire API in OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, which was released on July 24, 2012. Carbon was officially discontinued and removed entirely with the release of macOS 10.15 Catalina."

I think you are confusing "supported" with EoL. Adobe was pissed because there was originally talk of doing a carbon64bit and they never supported it so they had to move their entire app over.

The main point is, that Windows would never stop that api from "existing" In some manner. Unlike Apple.

This is just a difference in how both companies view themselves. While Apple claims "it just works". That isn't quite true in some of the cases we have seen. Microsoft has actually done a far better job of this.

I know someone that worked on the visual studio team. They literally had 100-200 servers that would run overnight with each build guaranteeing that the software would install and run on every single permutation of windows on an array of hardware.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by zamalek »

cptskippy wrote: post #258
scarface74 wrote: post #231

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You haven’t tried to run 16 bit software on 64 bit Windows have you?

You're drawing an equivalence between 5 and 25 year old software? Microsoft Windows 10 is able to run software that predates all of Apple's supported platforms.

There's always a person who is happy to explain how Apple bests any competitor you could mention at any metric you could imagine.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by boublepop »

geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

> build a static HTML page.

No way in hell today’s HTML will survive 25 years now that google owns it, browsers will literally crash due to lack of user tracking. Best just host a static txt file.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by cptaj »

ygjb wrote: post #237
scarface74 wrote: post #231

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You haven’t tried to run 16 bit software on 64 bit Windows have you?

Not to be snarky, but if there is a need to do this, it's pretty easy. If there is a real need, it is pretty trivial to do with VirtualBox or DosBox. Those applications from 20 years ago running in emulators will work far better in 20 more years than Apps from today that stop working due to remote service dependencies to force vendor lock-in. It is endlessly amusing to me that the more tightly integrated the cloud se…

I cant upvote this enough. The Vernor really captured this. As a programmer you can clearly see this happening right now.

I shudder to think of the massive house of cards we will have in 50 years.

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