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My impression is that iMessage is indeed encrypted end-to-end in China, same as everywhere else.
The key is included in the iCloud backup stored by Guizhou on the “Cloud Big Data Industrial Development Co., Ltd.“ https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351
Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained
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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained
#352Wonder if this will help to kill a meme, about how much Apple cares about users and what great values they have, how they're going to stand for the user, fight with governments, etc. While iPhone itself is pretty secure as a device phone (and Apple makes sure to remind you about that in each ad, public speaking, attacks on competitors, etc), as an ecosystem it's not secure. And it's like that on purpose - there's no…
>Wonder if this will help to kill a meme, aboyt how much Apple cares about users and what great values they have, Probably not. The keyboards on their laptops are barely functional but it doesn't stop people from saying how great they are.
This must be some definition of "barely functional" I'm unfamiliar with.
I've had a mid-2017 MBP since they were released. Yeah, I had to get the keyboard replaced when some keys failed after a year, but at least they did it for free. Actually, overall I prefer this keyboard to the 2013 I had previously. I think their failure rate is unacceptable, but they are certainly not "barely functional" by even the remotest interpretation of the phrase.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained
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They botched the original Windows Phone through a failure of management. They botched subsequent pushes on it because the bootstrapping problem around apps had grown too deep. At this point, if they tried to give it another go, there would be trust issues: "Am I investing in a phone ecosystem that's going to be dead in a few years?" Not to mention how much they've gone all-in on Android development. A Surface-branded…
They botched subsequent pushes on it because the bootstrapping problem around apps had grown too deep. I don't really think that is necessarily accurate. Lots of smaller developers would be more than happy to have a green field for app development if another player were willing to put the effort into assuring the device isn't a POS, and is priced reasonably. Some of the larger apps (netflix for example) already have…
It's that chicken-and-egg problem where people don't want to use it because it doesn't have the apps they need, and developers don't want to make apps for it because it doesn't have enough users. Microsoft tried to throw money at the problem to middling success. But I think it was too little too late.
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained
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I didn't say syncing was a backup. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying that my phone becomes the synced copy. The cloud is the canonical version (backed up separately elsewhere) and my phone becomes a device I can lose or break and not worry about anything so I don't need to back it up. As soon as I create any content on my phone I upload it to the cloud. Take my phone from my hand at any moment and as…
You asked why people care about backups anymore, and I told you why what you stated is not a solution to it.
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iPhone backups are only one snapshot and done semi-frequently so unless you notice the corruption very quickly, it's going to 'backup' that corruption too.
Right, so do real backups of your data. iCloud is loss recovery, and multi device convenience.
What do you think is special about a phone backup compared to a backup of anything else?
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With an open hardware design, periodically de-liding and examining a random sample of available consumer hardware would probably sufficient to protect the general consumer population, and targeted attacks become very difficult if you purchase your hardware from a store rather than order it by mail. Even so I agree that examining all hardware in that manner is impractical. A better approach might be having a small, si…
>With an open hardware design, periodically de-liding and examining a random sample of available consumer hardware would probably sufficient to protect the general consumer population, and targeted attacks become very difficult if you purchase your hardware from a store rather than order it by mail. How do you trust the person that verifies the CPU? Can you trust the X-Ray imaging machine? Is the X-Ray Machine verifi…
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained
#357> aboyt how much Apple cares about users No company cares about anything. A company is not a person. Apple, because of its privacy-marketing, is incentivized to be the privacy player in the market. But only so far as consumers keep them honest about it. They got away with this loophole because it stayed under the radar; if it gets enough attention and enough customers show that it matters to them, it could change. On…
> No company cares about anything. A company is not a person. You're splitting hairs over the definition of 'cares'. I think we all understand what that word means in this context.
With all of the carefully crafted marketing aimed at bypassing the forebrain and making people feel as though corporations care, it doesn't hurt to keep the fact that they don't at the forefront of the conversation.
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> if you want real protection, do local backups Yes, this is unfortunately true and unfortunately complicated compared to iCloud backups. I backup locally to my mac (encrypted), then I have my mac do time machine backups to my Synology NAS (encrypted) and then I have my NAS backup to BackBlaze (encrypted). I do that to satisfy the two pronged backup strategy: local (fast) and remote (slow, but useful in catastrophic…
I might be mistaken but I thought Backblaze doesn't backup external drives?
Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained
#359a) Is this just tactical move? Apple might choose to delay it's plans In effort to avoid confronting the current administration and wait for more reasonable one.
b) Is this permanent change of strategy? Giving up.
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It's encrypted with a password you type on the computer, but is stored on the phone. Annoyingly, if you lose the password, the only way to change it (even just for future backups) is resetting all settings on the phone.
This has changed - now you can change the password for new backups with the iPhone passcode.