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Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Re: Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Post by barrkel »

LeoTinnitus wrote: post #283
barrkel wrote: post #240

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I started reading that transcript and my BS detectors were bouncing off the charts. I think she's peddling a profitable narrative; from other sources [1], it seems clear that her position in NK was privileged in relative terms. No doubt she's had hardships, but all her incentives as a professional - what, exactly? witness? victim? - are to exaggerate the harshness of her experiences. [1] https://thediplomat.com/2014/…

Honestly I think the same way about that too, but there is just far too much video evidence against North Korea to suggest that these people are lying. Being well off in North Korea does have it's perks, but being essentially what is their middle class equivalent still is terrible. These people usually end up in Millgram experiments basically where they HAVE to do things they morally do not want to but cannot refuse…

Oh I don't think things are great in NK, and they're probably dire for the peasants, but her story specifically is very shaky.

Re: Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Post by bluntfang »

pascalxus wrote: post #327
bluntfang wrote: post #316

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i mean, yeah if you're 60+, cleaning your house is good exercise. But let's not pretend that cleaning your house is exercise for anyone under 60.

it really can be. It can be as vigorous as a walk down the street which is tremendously beneficial to your health. I know we've been conditioned to believe that excercise needs to be something specific like running or swimming, or tennis, etc. But, you just need to move your body. even gardening can be beneficial - the benefits of squating down are vastly underestimated.

What you say is true, for someone over 60. For people without accessibility issues, a walk down the street is not vigorous and neither is cleaning your house.

It certainly is better than NOT walking, but pretending like walking down the street or cleaning your house is exercise is disingenuous.

Re: Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Post by interestica »

gpm wrote: post #204
interestica wrote: post #183

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Aren't we seeing our first requests from manufacturers to remove sideview mirrors entirely? To be replaced by cameras and video screens.

We've been seeing those requests for awhile now, e.g. this from 2016: https://www.oemoffhighway.com/electronics/sensors/proximity-...

Are these in use now?

Re: Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Post by kerkeslager »

manigandham wrote: post #350
kerkeslager wrote: post #336

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> Bugs are not known flaws, otherwise you should fix them. That's not reality. Sometimes you don't have budget, sometimes there isn't a clear solution, etc. > Incorrect. False advertising is illegal. Haha! Okay buddy. Not sure what country you live in where that even pretends to be true, but our US companies are happy to break laws in that country to lie to you. > Whether that product works for you is your choice. If…

So the problem is companies that knowingly put out products with bugs and lie in their ads? Your concern isn't about advertising then, it's just shady companies.

Is there any other kind?

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Post by wpietri »

nickelcitymario wrote: post #347
kerkeslager wrote: post #346

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Okay, sure. If you want to say I'm a hypocrite, fine. It's not a point I care to defend myself from. The fact still remains that the advertising industry is a blight on society.

I believe you've confused "fact" with "opinion", unless you're intentionally trying to deceive anyone reading this.

Sorry, it's a fact. At the very best, the great bulk of it is unnecessary: companies advertise because their competitors advertise. If we just stopped, we'd have hundreds of billions to spend on something actually useful. And that's before we get to the harm caused. E.g., the harm documented in the study. Or the millions of people killed due to tobacco advertising.

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Post by wpietri »

nickelcitymario wrote: post #337
wpietri wrote: post #322

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Sure. I've known people who work in advertising. They all are pretty swell. They want to feel good about who they are and what they do. That's universal. Of course, I also once worked for what was basically a scam. As a teen, I answered an ad in the paper. We did telephone-based charity fundraising. Basically, telemarketing but "for good". Turns out the average amount passed on to charities was in the 10%-15% range.…

Not much I can say to that if your view is to discount anything I say due to being inside the industry. Seems like you've given yourself an airtight excuse to not consider any counter argument.

You didn't make a counter argument. You said the people were nice. I agreed, but said that doesn't matter, because plenty of nice people are part of terrible systems.

Re: Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Post by manigandham »

kerkeslager wrote: post #354
manigandham wrote: post #350

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So the problem is companies that knowingly put out products with bugs and lie in their ads? Your concern isn't about advertising then, it's just shady companies.

Is there any other kind?

You know there is, but if you really think every company is shady then there's nothing to discuss anyway.

Re: Researchers find inverse correlation between advertising and life satisfaction

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Post by nickelcitymario »

wpietri wrote: post #355
nickelcitymario wrote: post #347

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I believe you've confused "fact" with "opinion", unless you're intentionally trying to deceive anyone reading this.

Sorry, it's a fact. At the very best, the great bulk of it is unnecessary: companies advertise because their competitors advertise. If we just stopped, we'd have hundreds of billions to spend on something actually useful. And that's before we get to the harm caused. E.g., the harm documented in the study. Or the millions of people killed due to tobacco advertising.

There's an awful lot of things I'd consider a "blight on society" but I never mistake my opinion as fact.

When's the last time you saw an ad for tobacco? Is that still a thing in the states? We don't have that in Canada. (Even the packaging is legally required to be generic up here, and they have to be hidden behind a locked door.)

There are ads for vaping products, though. I suspect they'll be outlawed soon.

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Post by nickelcitymario »

wpietri wrote: post #356
nickelcitymario wrote: post #337

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Not much I can say to that if your view is to discount anything I say due to being inside the industry. Seems like you've given yourself an airtight excuse to not consider any counter argument.

You didn't make a counter argument. You said the people were nice. I agreed, but said that doesn't matter, because plenty of nice people are part of terrible systems.

Would you have actually considered a counter argument? You've discounted anything I have to say because I'm in the industry. I don't even know why I'm responding to this, other than politeness.
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