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There’s definitely a cross section of highly biased and partisan supporters that could have swung either direction at some point in their life if they had hung out with different people.
Almost every person on earth could have swung in any direction if they had hung out with different people. If you or I hung out with Ancient Egyptians our whole lives we would have thought burying kings with living slaves was about as normal as surfing Hacker News.
Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground
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#353I think the most unmentioned facet regarding prostitution is that for many men, prostitution may be the only way for them to obtain sex, which I feel is just as much of a "right" as is the right for women to obtain an abortion. No I don't believe taxpayers should be required to pay for prostitutes, nor for abortions. But the market for both should be decriminalized. Not only is this something that is morally right, t…
No, it isn't the only way for many men to do so. The issue is that they don't want to put in the time or effort to be the kind of man that can, and they have radically unrealistic expectation of sex itself. No, you cannot bang a supermodel, but you can find a woman who loves you and will be with you. No, men don't have a right to sex, because it involves a woman surrendering herself; its not something innate to the m…
I would say men have a moral right to sex as much as women have a moral right to not be physically and sexually abused by men, at least in an advanced human society that we want.
Naturally, evolution has left the sexes in an unpleasant predicament - look at higher mammals like chimps or great apes for the state we'd fall into without our societal boundaries.
We're long past the point where we've 'artificially' propped up women to a pedestal that wouldn't be obtainable without men raising them up - the freedom to earn money regardless of actual production, safety against physical / sexual violence which is only enforced by other men, reproduction rights, etc.
If this system is to sustain itself, a large amount of men will also need to provided for, and that means sex (or maybe in a sci-fi future some sort of drug or simulation that mimics it in the brain, and releases the 'pressure'). Otherwise, one side of our artificial society is no longer balanced.
>Sex is really only healthy where there is mutual love and at least some level of commitment;
Sex itself is the goal for most men, at least primitively. The rest is just a bonus.
> honestly i wish dang would ban these kinds of topics because we usually only get one side of them based on sort of an inhuman libertarianism;
Typical. You've been able to express you opinions. I've been able to express mine. Censoring / banning speech is ridiculous, and should never be even considered by a company like YC who owes quite a bit of debt to the US system, which believes in free speech. If they want to start banning more and more speech, they can go set up shop in China or the UK.
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Software has been a safe sustainable, decent livelihood for me at least
I'm fairly sure the occurrences of 'SW' in the parent comment stand for "sex working" or something akin to that and not for "software".
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Reasonable mistake, must happen all the time when people have sex with someone with no breasts, hairless in the pertinent areas, and don't talk at all with them.
"I just thought she was a late bloomer your honor, her manager assured me she was 18 going on 19"
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Nail salons don't capitalize on vice.
Sex is vice?
> In the United Kingdom, the term vice is commonly used in law and law enforcement to refer to criminal offences related to prostitution and pornography. In the United States, the term is also used to refer to crimes related to drugs, alcohol, and gambling.
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I agree it's not a hard core libertarian position. I guess I just meant I don't think there are that many people who consult their libertarian principles to decide their views on an issue.
One might speculate that libertarian principles are only held by a small number of people, but why would such principles not play just as important role in decision-making as other principles, like e.g. judgmental moralism? Do freedom lovers feel less deeply than freedom haters?
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Empirically, the vast majority of those who hire sex workers are men. But yes, as I said, it's a gross over-simplification. I would hope everyone opposes sex slavery. In the progressive circles I'm familiar with in my midwestern city (Columbus, Ohio), I've never seen anyone make a feminist case for decriminalization or legalization. The consensus among progressives here is that sex work is bad for women. The voices I…
I've head opinions and personal life stories directly from current and past sex workers, though I've never been one or been a client of one. I even know of one example who chooses to do sex work despite having lots of privilege and being simultaneously in training for a professional career, simply out of happiness and self-confidence with being desirable and desired physically/sexually without denying their own more…
That may be. There is certainly a powerful stigma around sex work that prevents people like your friend from advocating for themselves.
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> In the progressive circles I'm familiar with ... I've never seen anyone make a feminist case for decriminalization or legalization. Well there's plenty of sex workers online you could ask. They almost universally argue for decriminalisation (not legalisation) on feminist grounds.
Indeed. I'm curious: Do the sex workers you speak with claim that decriminalization and legalization are two different concepts as applied to themselves, or do they reject the label of legalization as dehumanizing because it implies that a human can be illegal? (Yes, technically no anti-sex-worker laws claim any category of human is inherently illegal, instead defining some of them as criminals through outlawing cert…