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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by DennisP »

torgian wrote: post #243
jacobolus wrote: post #191

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Those were great, but having slightly sculpted keytops and longer travel takes an extra 2–3 millimeters of vertical space, which isn’t going to cut it if the #1 goal is for the folded up machine to be as thin as possible. Personally I wish sommeone went back to the keyboards used on IBM 5140 or IBM P70. Probably not too likely though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Convertible https://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_P…

Meh. Give me a fully mechanical keyboard in a somewhat portable body. Like those old Apple IIe boxes. This is a joke btw.

It's a joke for you but a laptop with a good mech keyboard is exactly what I want.

I plug a mechanical keyboard into my laptop all the time, because it's easier on my fingers. A thicker laptop that I can type on is better for me than carrying around a separate mech and putting the laptop on a nearby flat surface instead of my lap.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by GrayShade »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #311
zapzupnz wrote: post #308

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I don't understand this comment. So something is difficult to fix; how does this make the components any less recyclable, less free of harmful toxins? Apple has a fairly comprehensive recycling system, to strip their own systems apart and reclaim reusable components. Are you suggesting when people take their MacBooks to get replaced that Apple are just throwing them in a landfill or something?

> I don't understand this comment. So something is difficult to fix; how does this make the components any less recyclable, less free of harmful toxins? The next best thing to recycling (from an environmental standpoint) is being able to repair and continue usage. However Apple's hardware becomes more and more unfix-able (actually impossible, because parts are basically tailored to a single device, thus there can't b…

It's not the next best thing, it's the better thing. Reduce, reuse, recycle.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by lm28469 »

simonh wrote: post #310
mscasts wrote: post #293

I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

Only a tiny percentage of laptops are ever upgraded. If making the device upgradable and accessible adds the same percentage in materials then it's pretty much a wash. Also Apple devices on average have much longer service lives than devices from most other manufacturers. On average they stay usable longer, and even when they are replaced they're more likely to be handed on and keep in use even without upgradability.…

> Only a tiny percentage of laptops are ever upgraded.

What about batteries, they're basically consumables.

I still remember a friend of mine breaking a single usb port on his macbook, he had to change half the components, the bill was something like $1.5k for a $2k macbook.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by GrayShade »

rimliu wrote: post #328
mscasts wrote: post #293

I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

Ok, you got a replaceable battery. Now when you replace it you not only have old battery but also the hard shell for that battery to throw out. The same goes for storage. You don't have soldered storage, you have cased SDD. How is this any better than Apples solution?

You throw away (recycle) the old battery and recycle or repurpose the SSD and replace it.

If they're soldered you need to replace everything. How is that not worse?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by quincunx »

neuronic wrote: post #343
mscasts wrote: post #293

I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

This comment is randomly bashing Apple for not acting ecologically while suggesting that alternatives are somehow better. Apple can and should be criticized for shitty environmental behavior when you can actually back up your claim. Not that there would be any proof in the comment, no. For example, how do Lenovo, Samsung or Dell handle this stuff and can you explain why their approaches produce less waste? Of course…

From the article: "we can't help but feel that Apple can do better—especially after seeing Microsoft perform some real engineering magic to make its latest laptops more repairable"

Which leads to this link: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by kpU8efre7r »

pwthornton wrote: post #14
Tepix wrote: post #11

It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

This is an odd definition of professional. To me, what you can do with it and the kinds of jobs it enables is what makes a computer pro or not.

They just slap Pro on whatever version is more expensive.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by GrayShade »

kmlx wrote: post #334
_ph_ wrote: post #315

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After Apple care expires, many repairs are so expensive that you have to consider the MB totalled, that means, you are throwing away a device that should be repairable. A keyboard exchange should cost between $100 and $200, not in excess of $600.

so basically the problem is offering cheaper repairs? that should be relatively easy to solve, no?

Repairs are going to be expensive if you need to get a new motherboard to replace a single component.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by lm28469 »

patatino wrote: post #203
saagarjha wrote: post #192

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Counterpoint: Apple's laptops have lasted me longer than any other computer I've had. I'm not sure that buying this is a net negative.

Counterpoint 2: I sold my 4-year-old MacBook Pro for 40% of the original price. Good luck doing that with any other device.

> the planet is burning

> yeah, but what about money

That's a good summary of the situation.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by dasKrokodil »

saagarjha wrote: post #199
nikanj wrote: post #186

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A few blasts of compressed air very likely will fix the keyboard. We have cans of it spread throughout the office, because it took Apple three laptop generations to admit to their faults

> We have cans of it spread throughout the office So does Apple, funnily enough.

Maybe they should include one with every butterfly keyboard purchase.
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