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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by GenericsMotors »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #315
mieseratte wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not xenopohobia, it’s a hard problem. China actively exploits American tolerance for their own gain, and we have no good way to stem corporate espionage other than a blanket ban. Even then, good old corruption of non-Chinese is still possible.

I'm sorry, targeting Chinese people on Green Cards is xenophobia. I'm not interested in whatever rationalizations are given for this sort of discriminatory behavior. The US is sadly headed down a path towards socially acceptable racial discrimination, justified by the new bogeyman - China.

The ban applies to people living in China or Russia, not on chinese or russians.

Any american or european living in either country would similarly be affected by the ban. Untwist your knickers please.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by munmaek »

netok wrote: post #288
mb_72 wrote: post #242

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Curious as the way I see it it's very often China who is the 'initiator', eg internment of Muslims, stealing of territory in South China sea, debt-trap diplomacy, and so forth. Presuming that you are aware of these occurrences, do you agree with your government's positions and actions, and - if not - what actions, if any, do you take to make it clear your opposition? The Chinese government is, IMO, massively over sen…

As a chinese, this kind of comment makes me hate the west even more. I have no control over my government. Zero. 0. Do you understand the concept of 0? Thats the amount of influence I have over any government matter. And you people being racist pos because there is nothing I can do about my gov. Wtf do you want?

Who is being racist here?

Criticizing a government apparatus isn’t racist. I don’t know why every single time a westerner criticizes the PRC, they act like we hate all Chinese people.

Nobody here has a problem with Chinese people in general. Hopefully all of us can separate a nation’s people from their government... The problem is with the PRC’s government.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by _iyig »

blaesus wrote: post #225

I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…

>It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards.

Do you believe this move is a double standard? If America and the E.U. mirrored Chinese rules and practices for corporate governance, foreign investment, and political involvement in private enterprise, how would that look?

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Post by abduhl »

computerex wrote: post #328
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #323

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> They make it hell for U.S companies to do business there. That's not evidenced by the massive presence of US companies in China. American companies do vastly more business in China than vice versa. Whenever I see these sorts of claims, I ask what specific restrictions or hurdles are being discussed.

The U.S is a much bigger economy than China and that's one of the reasons why you see penetration from U.S companies in China. Just because there are U.S companies in China doesn't mean that what I said about the Chinese government making it hell to do business there is false. Your argument is not logically sound. But as to your point, some of the things that make it difficult for western countries to do business the…

China’s economy is “much” smaller than the US by what metric? China and the USA are the top two economies by any measure (GDP, exports, imports, etc.) with both countries switching places as 1 or 2 depending on the metric.

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Post by sidibe »

computerex wrote: post #322
netok wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a chinese, this kind of comment makes me hate the west even more. I have no control over my government. Zero. 0. Do you understand the concept of 0? Thats the amount of influence I have over any government matter. And you people being racist pos because there is nothing I can do about my gov. Wtf do you want?

No one is criticizing the Chinese people who have zero control over their authoritarian government. The Chinese people are humans just like any other person on Earth, whether from America or Canada or Nigeria or India or anywhere. When people criticize China, they are almost universally criticizing the Chinese government , because of their double standards, shady practices, lack of respect for individual privacy/sove…

CCP has succeeded in making the Chinese government an important part of Chinese people's identity. I've noticed even open minded Chinese people who have lived abroad for years tend to feel a little like insults on Chinese government are personal.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by jsjohnst »

iiertiosas wrote: post #96
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #19

I'm shocked (in a positive way) about the amount of transparency Gitlab provides. Even as a reader, it almost feels as if someone misconfigured the ACLs or I'm reading leaked internal documents, not an intentional decision to make this open. Some of the discussions seem highly sensitive, and yet it seems to work for them. Thank you, Gitlab, for being so open! I've learned a lot about compliance from just reading this…

I also learned a lot and some of the employees made great points. I’m wondering, can the US government legally issue a National Security Letter to an individual employee that forces them to comply and spy for them? If they can, does this also mean the employee has no legal recourse since NSLs must be kept secret?

> can the US government legally issue a National Security Letter to an individual employee that forces them to comply and spy for them?

I don’t have a link I can share at the moment to prove this (I’ll update this comment if I find one), but at least in the case of an employee with a security clearance, it is my understanding they can be forced to comply with a US Government order without the ability to inform anyone at their employer (including corporate legal staff). I’m not clear if this order would have to come as an NSL or via another channel.

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Post by yorwba »

mschuster91 wrote: post #223
jakobegger wrote: post #211

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> totally excluding China from any and all international trade I don't have an opinion whether this is the right thing to do or not. But regardless of my opinion, how does not hiring chinese citizens help with that? This just sounds like harassing chinese people because of their government. If you really wanted to change something, hiring chinese people and showing them what the western world is like would be the bes…

> If you really wanted to change something, hiring chinese people and showing them what the western world is like would be the best thing to do. The Western world has tried this and ended up with Chinese students harrassing and intimidating pro-Hongkong protestors. This path has failed.

> This path has failed.

Has it? Not convincing 100% of Chinese students is not automatically a failure. What about Chinese pro-Hongkong protestors?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by computerex »

abduhl wrote: post #355
computerex wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S is a much bigger economy than China and that's one of the reasons why you see penetration from U.S companies in China. Just because there are U.S companies in China doesn't mean that what I said about the Chinese government making it hell to do business there is false. Your argument is not logically sound. But as to your point, some of the things that make it difficult for western countries to do business the…

China’s economy is “much” smaller than the US by what metric? China and the USA are the top two economies by any measure (GDP, exports, imports, etc.) with both countries switching places as 1 or 2 depending on the metric.

By the GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
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