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Re: Firefox 70

#351

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You're thinking of Blink. WebKit is pretty exclusive to macOS and iOS these days.

Webkit mother is literally KDE code.

WebKit was based off KHTML. It hasn't been the same engine for 17 years (though they do occasionally share code) and never used the same jS VM.

Nice bit of obscure knowledge that adds nothing to the conversation. Unless your argument is that KHTML and WebKit are the equivalent to Blink because of a shared ancestry; in which case you're arguing something I never claimed.

Re: Firefox 70

#352

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You're thinking of Blink. WebKit is pretty exclusive to macOS and iOS these days.

Even back in 2014, I was developing my own browser with webkit: https://austingwalters.com/simple-web-browser-in-cpp-using-q... Works on any OS I've tried.

I never said it wasn't cross platform. I said it's development and use was pretty exclusive to iOS these days; outside of less common browsers like GNOME Web.

Re: Firefox 70

#353

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No, I'm not; I'm actually typing this from WebKit on Linux. I'd actually guess that WebKit runs on more platforms than Blink does…

I didn't say it didn't run on other OSes. But the big ones are mostly iOS and it shows in the targeting of the development. Blink is what's on most (non-gecko/servo) browsers people use now (chrome, chromium, Opera, the new Edge browser, etc). > I'd actually guess that WebKit runs on more platforms than Blink does… I'd say they're probably at parity, if not a small edge given to Blink since an entire OS is built arou…

Yes, I was using GNOME Web.

Re: Firefox 70

#354

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I didn't say it didn't run on other OSes. But the big ones are mostly iOS and it shows in the targeting of the development. Blink is what's on most (non-gecko/servo) browsers people use now (chrome, chromium, Opera, the new Edge browser, etc). > I'd actually guess that WebKit runs on more platforms than Blink does… I'd say they're probably at parity, if not a small edge given to Blink since an entire OS is built arou…

Yes, I was using GNOME Web.

Interesting. You're one of the few people I know on Linux not using Chrome/Chromium or Firefox (or one of it's derivatives). And the others I know mostly use Konqueror.

Re: Firefox 70

#355

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Would this bring it up to par with safari's power consumption?

Maybe just don't watch videos inside your Browser. You know there's youtube-dl+mpv?

iina can ply youtube stream without pre-downloading them. You have also Picture in Picture following you on all desktop.

iina is open source and have a lot of codec available.

I don't know if it change something on energy consumption, though.

Re: Firefox 70

#356

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Mozilla fired their CEO, the founder of JS, Brendan Eich, because he made a donation 10 years before to a Christian charity. Many SV people are missing the scope and scale of the impact of having OSS charities engaging in the political campaign – it is renouncing all donations from the other side. It is not their role. Every year I have thousands of dollars that I try to affect to OSS charities, but I’m yet to find a…

A donation to a Christian charity would have been fine. There are thousands of them in the US and around the world. No, Eich specifically made a donation to a political campaign for CA's Prop 8 that used blood-libel-level lies to cast homosexuals as pedophiles and sexual predators and use that as a justification to deny them the right to marry. And this was the state of the Prop 8 campaign at the time he made the don…

Please note that Prop 8 was actually supported by voters. So if supporting Prop 8 is reason for firing, more than half of voters of California should lose their jobs. I think that's unfair, and suspect that witch hunt campaign was probably initiated because of some kind of power games inside Mozilla. Also, please make note that there is zero evidence of any LBGT Mozilla employee was discriminated by Brendan Eich or even evidences of him discussing his stance on homosexual marriages at work. He was literally bullied and fired for his private life facts: fact that he privately supported same political stance than majority of California's voters.

Re: Firefox 70

#357
I'v been constantly trying to switch to FF from Chrome to help Firefox market share a little bit. However there are always some issues which makes me switch back to Chrome.

Currently I'm on Firefox for over the month and I did document those things that bugs me. To be fair I should create such list for Chrome too, but I don't get that moment of frustration that often.

Here's the list for Firefox. After some items I thought it would be better to write down dates instead of sequence numbers.

Tldr: The most common issue is with unresponsive tabs which cannot be reloaded/refreshed and leads to re-typing search term / closing, reopening tab / killing firefox.

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1. Searching google.. loading.. it is faster to open chrome then, try to copy twice the URL (which doesn't copy/ paster), type in the search term manually and process seach results than wait them appar on firefox. Reopening tab helps on FF tho.

2. Sometimes opening a url where server is cold, I get blank page after waiting. Refresh wont help.

3. CTRL + F sometimes won't work until deleting some chars. Chrome handles this without issues.

4. Opening site in new tab - Firefox hangs. Cannot switch to other tabs, cannot close tab. End task via taskmgr helps.

5. Opening site in some tab - Firefox shows loading, loading, loading. Only closing tab, opening new one helps - site loads instantly.

6. Cannot open link in Dynamcis 365 grid.

2019-09-25: 5. repeats itself. Oh, dumb me, I was in a debugger, hitting a breakpoint.

2019-09-25: Loading, loading, loading.. reopening tab.

2019-09-25: reading text on community.dynamics.com. Suddenly, text gets distorted

2019-09-27: Viewing https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3142345/microsoft-d... and opening article numbers. To go back, must press back button 3 times (history gets filled). Only 1 in chrome.

2019-10-01: Callstack in a huge javascript file? Firefox just can't cope that. It just hangs. Must wait very long

2019-10-01: Scrolling javascript file in debugger. Just empty window, no text rendered. Scrolling here and there or clicking fixes it.

2019-10-01: Javascript debugging frustrating. When I want reload page, I have continue debugger. Now it feels like firefox hangs and I have to close debug tools to refresh my page. Maybe patience could help here.

2019-10-03: Firefox slowing down my browser.. yeah, browsing huge file at https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/Sample-Quick-start-for-650db.... But it won't let me go back, won't let me refresh, i'm a victim and can't go back to my google results...

2019-10-07: Opening page.. loading... opening other page from same domain works. Refresh on first page - still loading. Close tab, open new one - works.

2019-10-07: Looks like refresh is just broken. Long running tab is loading. Loading.. loading... luckily it did load after all, well at least I thought so, because page kinda rendered. Only that it wasn't working. And then I was back to the grey "Loading" page. The issue for me here is that I can't force to reload the URL in URL bar.

2019-10-11: Opening webpage from URL. Great, site doesn't open. F5 doesn't help. Cannot switch to different tabs. Thank you for closing many windows and tabs. Closing with X doesn't work. After killing FF with task manager, you restore your session - excellent. And now no problem opening that page. Doh.

2019-10-13: Searching something via url bar... well google never opens and F5 doesn't help. And pressing ENTER doesn't help. Re-searching on new tab works.

2019-10-13: Some tab that leaks memory should be reloaded. Well waiting after CTRL+F5 and waiting and waiting... eh, closing and reopening seems to be faster.

2019-10-14: Cannot copy from from a Dynamics 365 readonly field. Which is . This actually bugs me often. Can copy on chrome.

2019-10-21: Not googling on new tab page, loading, nothing happens. New tab works.

2019-10-21: Writing github issue... scrollbar doesn't work. Well actually tab doesnt respond. Oh i'm probably opening link in new tab that loads, loads, loads... Well, killing firefox is the only way I can "unstuck". How can I love FF? :( Looking forward to write these things down for Chrome in November - maybe it happens to other browsers too? However credit to FF or GitHub - dunno - my text wasn't lost in GitHub issue input field!

2019-10-21: Search. It just doesn't search on some pages (Dynamics CRM). Chrome search works better in these cases.

2019-10-21: Cursor invisible when over Firefox. Probably OS issue, happens to Chrome too.

2019-10-21: Dropdown list doesn't work as intended. Typing chars doesn't search (jump to) matched item.

Re: Firefox 70

#358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla fired their CEO, the founder of JS, Brendan Eich, because he made a donation 10 years before to a Christian charity. Many SV people are missing the scope and scale of the impact of having OSS charities engaging in the political campaign – it is renouncing all donations from the other side. It is not their role. Every year I have thousands of dollars that I try to affect to OSS charities, but I’m yet to find a…

A donation to a Christian charity would have been fine. There are thousands of them in the US and around the world. No, Eich specifically made a donation to a political campaign for CA's Prop 8 that used blood-libel-level lies to cast homosexuals as pedophiles and sexual predators and use that as a justification to deny them the right to marry. And this was the state of the Prop 8 campaign at the time he made the don…

Also, I'm living in Russia, and there is common knowledge that we have a lot of problems with democratic procedures here. I don't say that someone could not be fired for his voting or donating for opposition here, it definitely can happen. But it will probably cause media scandal, not media support

Re: Firefox 70

#359
Links for the password manager, "Firefox Lockwise" go through adjust, which appears to be a tracking/analytics/marketing platform. This is both through their website and by clicking through the Firefox UI menu.

I guess it's harder to walk the walk yourself when the desires to track usage and analytics come from within your own teams.

Check the links yourself over at:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/lockwise/

And built in to Firefox by going about:logins, the top right * menu and clicking Lockwise for Android or Lockwise for iPhone

You end up with redirect links like:

https://app.adjust.com/6tteyjo?redirect=

Re: Firefox 70

#360

I just had f.lux turn on night mode after upgrading. Firefox 70 does not handle this well. Some elements on most sites (including HN) randomly flash in and out of nigh mode colors.

Excuse my ignorance. What does Firefox have to do with f.lux? I thought f.lux was a separate package that tinted colors on a level lower than the applications themselves?

I thought so too, but the only time I've had this issue is after upgrading Firefox today. It's not happening anymore, so I'll just chalk it up to a weird one-off for now.
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