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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by leesec »

tw04 wrote: post #326
kemiller wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that was the implication. It’s that Tesla is focused on hitting the high order bits and so has earned a little forgiveness about smaller things.

But they aren't. The car doesn't drive itself yet and you shouldn't pretend it does unless you want to die. Other than performance and range they haven't hit on ANY of the high order bits.

Haha well, maybe your car doesn't drive itself. Mine does everyday, it's great.

Also Teslas are the safest cars. Not sure what you're talking about

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by dlgeek »

tw04 wrote: post #348
mlindner wrote: post #342

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And those other cars also have postage stamp sized displays that don't let you watch Netflix nor Hulu nor live tv. Nor do they allow steering wheel integration to racing games.

Since I spend exactly 0 hours a day sitting in my car doing nothing, Netflix an Hulu aren't on my list of useful features. If for some reason I'm not driving and I'm still sitting in the car, I'm probably on a conference call.

They're pushing these because they need you to feel like you're covered during recharging time on longer trips.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by SECProto »

saalweachter wrote: post #349
SECProto wrote: post #329

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> That's called a SAFE FOLLOWING DISTANCE. Hi. Safe following distance is the distance required to safely stop at whatever speed you are going. At a typical speed of 90km/hr (that's usually when this "feature" gets engaged - slowing me to 10km/hr under the limit because that's what someone in front of me is doing), the safe stopping distance is around 80-90 meters (perception+braking in good conditions). The shortest…

The LONGEST following distance maintained by Toyota's adaptive cruise control is 50m (at 80 km/h). The short and medium settings are 30m and 40m. So either (a) the car you drove was defective or (b) you are radically misjudging your following distance . I know you are inclined to assume the former, but keep in mind that humans are terrible at judging distances when moving at high speeds, and most people leave way too…

I make a habit of counting seconds between cars (particularly in light traffic, which is also the only time I'm using cruise control), aiming for the standard 5s follow. At 90km/hr (25m/s), you're telling me Toyota's cruise control has a maximum follow distance of 2 seconds? That is incorrect from my experience (and unsafe from standard driving practice). Where did you get that number?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by saalweachter »

SECProto wrote: post #353
saalweachter wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The LONGEST following distance maintained by Toyota's adaptive cruise control is 50m (at 80 km/h). The short and medium settings are 30m and 40m. So either (a) the car you drove was defective or (b) you are radically misjudging your following distance . I know you are inclined to assume the former, but keep in mind that humans are terrible at judging distances when moving at high speeds, and most people leave way too…

I make a habit of counting seconds between cars (particularly in light traffic, which is also the only time I'm using cruise control), aiming for the standard 5s follow. At 90km/hr (25m/s), you're telling me Toyota's cruise control has a maximum follow distance of 2 seconds? That is incorrect from my experience (and unsafe from standard driving practice). Where did you get that number?

I looked it up in the owners manual for the Toyota Corolla available online.

(While I haven't driven a Toyota Corolla with adaptive cruise control, I have driven a Subaru Forester, which uses roughly the same following distance; I find it to be a little closer than I'd prefer on my own, but accept it for the convenience and because I assume it can get away with a shorter following distance, since it is not reliant on human reflexes to stop in an emergency.)

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective. There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse.

Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want to be forced into some awful proprietary OS touch screen just to adjust my A/C, and I'm afraid companies are using the switch from gas to electric as an excuse to go in that direction.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by mensetmanusman »

I have seen a few comments talking about how Tesla’s can’t even read the traffic signs...

This is a conscious decision because signs are easily spoofed by black tape. Because speed limits change so infrequently, it is much easier and safer to pull from a lookup table than to read dirty signs and rely on CV...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by clouddrover »

xedeon wrote: post #300
rainyMammoth wrote: post #225

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Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

> Really trying to understand but what is so different with a Tesla? Is it the Hype factor? The feeling to be in a religious group? If you are really trying to understand, why don't you test drive one? Only then will you truly know. Having owned a Model S (traded it in for a Model 3) and X. There is no way I will buy any other car. Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure and software…

> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure

I think this is the wrong perspective. Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, and others are investing in common charging infrastructure through joint ventures such as Ionity (https://ionity.eu/en/about.html). Ionity is available to all EVs that can charge via CCS (which includes Teslas).

ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their make and model. EVs should also be able to charge at any charging station regardless of the brand.

Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then when will Tesla convert their fast chargers to CCS and allow all EVs to charge at them?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by mark242 »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Get yourself a used Ford Focus Electric. The range is small, but it's the perfect commuter car and is the closest thing to an "analog" electric car you'll find. Ford took the high-end Titanium body and interior and grafted the electric drivetrain into it.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by CreepGin »

jread wrote: post #294
rainyMammoth wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

I've been a Tesla owner for 5 years - currently have a P85+ (mine), M3 (wife) and Mercedes GL (family car). Prior to this owned 2 Fords, and 2 Hondas before that. For me personally, I'll take the Tesla any day over any other brand, and my non-techy wife is the same. Hard to explain, but I think it's the overall ownership and driving experience including: - Buying experience is so much more pleasant - set price and no…

> I don't trust autopilot for anything but long road trips (it's excellent for that), it's tried to kill me too many times - I think the marketing hype is way ahead of actual capabilities.

What about in heavy traffic situations? Is autopilot practical for that? I tried to get the driver assistant package (adaptive cruise and lane keeping) for my bmw x4 3 years ago. It was being marketed as good for stop & go situations. But when I talked to the rep, he strongly recommended against it, saying the tech is all right but most drivers would not bother using it. I guess the same can be said about auto parking.

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