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California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single state senator (one of the few Democrats who opposes SB-50) blocked the bill from being voted on. The supermajority was irrelevant.

So you blame republicans and want even more Democratic control of the Legislature than they already have.

When did I blame Republicans?

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I'm a renter in Oregon and I've been outspoken about this long before the laws were passed. From my experience, people who support heavy laws, regulations and taxes don't spend enough time considering potential side effects. They feel like with enough support, they can just force anything they want to happen, while completely disregarding the market. I feel like an amount of the general public just wants Big Daddy go…

Well, i disagree with your opinion. Silicon Valley has been attracting a lot of people from lot of states, who all need housing. Remember , size of California is fixed. Housing in Silicon valley doesn't grow at the same rate as number of people coming here. Added to that, foreigners living in foreign countries ( who have never visited USA, who have no intention of living in USA) are able to own land/houses in silicon…

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Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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If that's what demand has done to pricing then yes. Where are rents increasing 100% per year?

Have you looked at the rents in SF? It is pretty insane.

SF has extremely harsh rent control laws. In SF you are seeing the result of rent control run amok (amongst other factors).

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post #259

I'm a renter in Oregon and I've been outspoken about this long before the laws were passed. From my experience, people who support heavy laws, regulations and taxes don't spend enough time considering potential side effects. They feel like with enough support, they can just force anything they want to happen, while completely disregarding the market. I feel like an amount of the general public just wants Big Daddy go…

Well, i disagree with your opinion. Silicon Valley has been attracting a lot of people from lot of states, who all need housing. Remember , size of California is fixed. Housing in Silicon valley doesn't grow at the same rate as number of people coming here. Added to that, foreigners living in foreign countries ( who have never visited USA, who have no intention of living in USA) are able to own land/houses in silicon…

> Housing in Silicon valley doesn't grow at the same rate as number of people coming here

Bingo. And why not?

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> The real solution to a housing problem is to incentivize and facilitate the building of more housing. You need to have some degree of control. I live in a suburb close to a tech hub in WA. They built a lot of housing in the past 3 years. And I mean a lot. At least a couple of hundred of apartments on the market every year, after raising 3-4 buildings at the same time, in a town of 20k people. One would think that t…

This tends to happen with new apartment buildings for the first 2 years or so, and its an artifact of real estate finance. For finance purposes, the building is valued on the theoretical sum of its leases when its at full capacity. If you have a 100 unit building where each unit rents for exactly 2.5k/month, then your building is valued on a multiple of of the $250000/month it generates. That value is used as capital…

This seems about right. Also, there is a time frame when a new complex after completion transitions from a short term builder/construction loan to a long term permanent loan. For that loan as mentioned above the building is valued at theoretical sum of it leases by the bank. Thus for that loan it is better to show high actual rents and extrapolate to secure a better loan value / term.

Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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post #259

I'm a renter in Oregon and I've been outspoken about this long before the laws were passed. From my experience, people who support heavy laws, regulations and taxes don't spend enough time considering potential side effects. They feel like with enough support, they can just force anything they want to happen, while completely disregarding the market. I feel like an amount of the general public just wants Big Daddy go…

Well, i disagree with your opinion. Silicon Valley has been attracting a lot of people from lot of states, who all need housing. Remember , size of California is fixed. Housing in Silicon valley doesn't grow at the same rate as number of people coming here. Added to that, foreigners living in foreign countries ( who have never visited USA, who have no intention of living in USA) are able to own land/houses in silicon…

Housing in California is fixed because of zoning and construction regulations. Also, more people can't move here than can be supported...and how does putting arbitrary limits on maximum rent increase the amount of people that can live here if we're already dealing with the limitation of too many people wanting to live here? That will just increase the demand...

Otherwise, there is a natural equilibrium. Many people want to live here, housing scarcity goes up. Prices go up, less people want to live here (this is already happening). What you're left with is the price reflecting precisely the degree to which people are willing to pay to live here.

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post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, i disagree with your opinion. Silicon Valley has been attracting a lot of people from lot of states, who all need housing. Remember , size of California is fixed. Housing in Silicon valley doesn't grow at the same rate as number of people coming here. Added to that, foreigners living in foreign countries ( who have never visited USA, who have no intention of living in USA) are able to own land/houses in silicon…

> Housing in Silicon valley doesn't grow at the same rate as number of people coming here Bingo. And why not?

Bingo. And why not?

Because California property owners don't want it to. The artificial scarcity drives up property values. Take a look at Brisbane, they fought residential development tooth and nail claiming that people should just work in Brisbane but live in San Francisco.

Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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Oh joy, politicians trying to get votes from the economically unaware. If you thought there was a housing crisis, just wait. It's going to be crazy. Here is a different article, more tolerant of private browsing: https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2019/09/04/more-ren...

> I am Senior Fellow, Economic Opportunity at the Charles Koch Institute. My research focuses on cities, urban development, population trends, labor markets, and federal and local urban public policy.

Great source there! No agenda at all.

Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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I'm shocked at the ideological fervor here and the fact that virtually no one seems to have looked at the details of the actual bill. This is nothing like the rent control ordinance in SF that has caused $3000 units to get stuck at $500 rents. That will never happen under this law. The allowable increases are so much higher than "normal" rent control laws that any given unit will catch up to market rates in a matter…

So ... you are arguing rent control is good? Or that this isn't rent control? Or that some rent control is good, but more is really bad?

Why does someone have to be arguing anything? They wrote what happened and described it adequately with no disclaimers or partisan copy-pasta to assign favor to any mob.
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