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Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by sascha_sl »

mrrrgn wrote: post #200
andy_ppp wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely, the marketplace of ideas has become the cesspit of lies and we need to pull ourselves and everyone else out of it.

What comes after we pull ourselves out of the "marketplace of ideas?" With no marketplace where will original thought come from? The whole point of the marketplace is to sift through all the bad stuff and find the diamonds in the rough. You can't have a market without bad stuff, and the benefit of having a market is that it finds good stuff. A world with less bad ideas is a world with less good ideas. It's not imposs…

I'm pretty sure people like Steven Crowder do not contribute to any diamond discovery process, can YouTube deplatform/demonetize him yet?

And don't start with "but how do we tell them apart" - sometimes it is very clear cut.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by sascha_sl »

mrrrgn wrote: post #198
sascha_sl wrote: post #131

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Nobody is well informed on all issues. You just can't be. You can't fact check everything. We live in a world where the authority we defer judgement to has split up, into less balanced partisan entities. Not saying pre-internet news were unbiased, but public sources tended to be better curated. (At least where I live, I'm sure Fox has always been this horrid) This is why filter bubbles and building psychological prof…

A lot of partially informed individuals en masse may act more "informed" on the whole than what you're giving them credit for. It's also a less brittle organizational structure than having a few authorities who are supposedly totally or mostly well informed. If any of the authorities aren't actually as well informed as you'd thought, it has a large impact. It would take a very substantial number of peers in a peer to…

And yet, look at how well the average Trump voter is informed about Trump.

This might work if you leave the system undisturbed, but there are other forces involved in this process your model doesn't account for.

It's the equivalent of buying out EC2 instances for an hour or so and "recalibrating" your P2P mesh. And it wouldn't fix itself.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by SmartJerry »

nradov wrote: post #349
SmartJerry wrote: post #346

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The most popular websites in the U.S. where users share content are Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram (Facebook's subsidiary), Reddit, Twitch, then arguably Imgur which is more a hosting site of images for other services, and maybe even iTunes for podcasts. You can monetize your content on most of these sites but if you get banned from say YouTube, your audience just dropped from the whole country to say half of…

I have zero sympathy for entitled content creators who whine about getting demonetized. Earning some money from Youtube or Twitch might be a nice bonus but only a fool would rely upon it to live. If someone needs income then get a real job or start a company. And for those that just want to get their message out, well it's never been easier or cheaper to start a web site on any number of different hosting services. I…

I think you are underestimating the size of these companies. You say get a "real job" but YouTube pays millions upon millions of people and may be the largest employer by number of people paid. It is already a real job. There are many insanely huge YouTubers who have started their own websites and they have all failed with them. Even being the largest creator on YouTube they couldn't move traffic to their own website.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by basch »

zaroth wrote: post #342
basch wrote: post #262

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Email, ActivityPub, and Wordpress are decentralized publishing communication standards. Email one-to-many distribution / spam being the thing youre ignoring. Facebook and Twitter are proprietary, centralized, and closed systems. Shifting the conversation from publishing to the audience, completely glosses over the actual minutia at hand.

Literally no one is censoring email, or even discussing the possibility of censoring emails, unless you’re into totalitarian regimes. OP meant to say publishing platforms not communication provider because of course there is absolutely no natural monopoly for email providers, but clearly natural monopolies for social networks. Spam is a nuisance. It’s simply not how someone reaches 100 million followers.

Platforms can be decentralized. Look at WordPress. You can host it anywhere.

ActivityPub let's you build federated interconnected social networks, an interoperable solution like email.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by LocalH »

moate wrote: post #338
LocalH wrote: post #313

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But who gets to decide who gets a platform? What happens when those deciders abuse their power? The danger in deplatforming is the inevitability of changing social mores. What happens if the pendulum swings the other way and the ones you consider to be on the "right side" of history start getting deplatformed? If your answer to that is, "oh that won't happen", then you're oh so naive.

>>But who gets to decide who gets a platform? What happens when those deciders abuse their power? The owners of the platform. As things have always been. Like magazine editors or tv producers. Everyone having a platform is a mixed bag. I don't feel it's needed. If the socialists get McCarthy'd off twitter, they'll survive. If the Alt-right pisses off their web hosts, there's always some lovely libertarian ISP out the…

What if the social pressure to "not give a platform to " means that it becomes practically impossible for certain groups to have their voice heard?

The point I'm getting at, is when you chip away at free speech like that, no matter how laudable the goals, the inevitable result is less free speech for all.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by nradov »

SmartJerry wrote: post #353
nradov wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have zero sympathy for entitled content creators who whine about getting demonetized. Earning some money from Youtube or Twitch might be a nice bonus but only a fool would rely upon it to live. If someone needs income then get a real job or start a company. And for those that just want to get their message out, well it's never been easier or cheaper to start a web site on any number of different hosting services. I…

I think you are underestimating the size of these companies. You say get a "real job" but YouTube pays millions upon millions of people and may be the largest employer by number of people paid. It is already a real job. There are many insanely huge YouTubers who have started their own websites and they have all failed with them. Even being the largest creator on YouTube they couldn't move traffic to their own website…

I'm not underestimating anything: traffic and revenue data is publicly available for most of those sites. Only a tiny fraction of content creators earn any significant income. Everyone else in the long tail are just picking up crumbs.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by rurban »

I'm not having a problem with twitter finally finding it out, and asking the user to remove it. But isn't there a catch-22?

> As a result we've locked your account.

> What you can do:

> To unlock your account, you must do the following:

> Remove Tweets that violate our rules.

Can you actually remove tweets when your account is locked?

E.g When Google locks your account you lost everything. You certainly cannot talk to them, remove any violating content or fix things. As it looks (unable and unwilling to test), Twitter implemented locking by just prohibiting to post new stuff, but allows you to fix stuff. Which is very fine to me, compared to Google.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by moate »

LocalH wrote: post #355
moate wrote: post #338

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>>But who gets to decide who gets a platform? What happens when those deciders abuse their power? The owners of the platform. As things have always been. Like magazine editors or tv producers. Everyone having a platform is a mixed bag. I don't feel it's needed. If the socialists get McCarthy'd off twitter, they'll survive. If the Alt-right pisses off their web hosts, there's always some lovely libertarian ISP out the…

What if the social pressure to "not give a platform to " means that it becomes practically impossible for certain groups to have their voice heard? The point I'm getting at, is when you chip away at free speech like that, no matter how laudable the goals, the inevitable result is less free speech for all.

Yes and?

I don't believe in 100% free speech. I don't think it's needed for society to function. That's fine if you do. But slippery slope arguments or "when the tides change" future-scenarios aren't super convincing.

I'm fine with being intolerant of intolerance. I also understand it's personal opinion. That's how the world works. It's a bunch of individuals trying their best to get by in their lives.

I say we ban the Nazis. You say "let the Nazis talk". Then society as a whole fights it out and comes to a conclusion (with inertia favoring inaction). The same will happen for ANTIFA and Communists and the Alt-Right and Libertarians being allowed to have platforms. And American society as a whole will keep moving forward in the same weird twisting way it has for the past ~250 years.

I'm not unaware of the ramifications of my opinions if enacted as policy, I'm just not afraid of the fight when someone seeks to use them against me.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by jacksnipe »

vorpalhex wrote: post #115
jacksnipe wrote: post #99

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Right, so the hypothesis is that we can’t have unfettered access to information.

So who do you propose gets to spoonfeed the masses with their okayed content? That is a terrifying argument.

I’m not sure what the solution is — it’s possible to identify a problem (that humans don’t seem to be able to properly process the amount of information we currently have access to) without knowing the solution.

I agree that having restrictions on information access and communication is a slippery slope in the non-fallacious sense, at least with the solutions we usually discuss.

But I’m optimistic that the failure conditions might be more specific than they seem to the current state of affairs — self curated social graphs of unlimited size and bandwidth. Perhaps dramatically limiting scope, connectedness, or agency over whose views you have access to (think true random, not AI) would lead to less or different issues. I don’t know, because these experiments would take a lot of investment, but the point is that it may not be as black and white as you make it out to be.

Re: Twitter locked my account for a nine year old tweet

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Post by mikelyons »

Grue3 wrote: post #348
mikelyons wrote: post #295

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I call male politicians cunts and whores all the time! How can you assume this?

Do you really not understand the difference between calling a man these words, and a woman? This is literally how you sound: "I'm not racist, I call white people N-word all the time too!"

You made that up!
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