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No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by kyleblarson »

amelius wrote: post #130
noambrown wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it took the community a while to come up with the right algorithms. So much of early AI research was focused on beating humans at chess and later Go. But those techniques don't directly carry over to an imperfect-information game like poker. The challenge of hidden information was kind of neglected by the AI community. This line of research really has its origins in the game theory community actually (which i…

So will this be the end of online poker?

Even if it is, it means a new live poker boom which is a very good thing

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by world32 »

jacquesm wrote: post #296
thomasfl wrote: post #283

One of the researchers, Tuomas Sundholm, has a real badass CV. Former pilot in the Finnish airforce. Finnish windsurfer champion. Snowboarder. Professor at Carnegie Mellon. Speaks four european languages, including swedish. And now at the age of 51, he has created the best AI powered poker bot. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sandholm/cv.pdf

Not to belittle the man's other achievements but speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe, except when you're from the UK.

No its not normal to speak four languages in Europe.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by jfengel »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #301
jacquesm wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to belittle the man's other achievements but speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe, except when you're from the UK.

> speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe Northern Europe, maybe. French people for instance tend to suck at foreign languages. We rarely go beyond 3 languages (French, English, then German or Spanish. The last two are often forgotten after school.) I suspect Spain and Italy are similar.

As an American, I am now going to bang my head into a wall.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by nso »

diggan wrote: post #298
jacquesm wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to belittle the man's other achievements but speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe, except when you're from the UK.

> speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe Clearly we have different experiences (swedish person living in spain currently) but I haven't met that many people who speak four languages and are from a european country (but have yet to been in eastern europe). That finns speak swedish is a special case though, as AFAIK, they learn swedish in school and being finn-swedish is a thing too.

Being Swedish I bet you at minimum can understand and communicate proficiently with speakers and writers of Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and English. Probably you learned either Spanish, French, or German in school as well?

Nordic countries are a special case.

Norden er et spesielt tilfelle.

Norden är ett speciellt fall.

Norden er et specielt tilfælde.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by donk2019 »

Congrats Noam for the great breakthrough work!

I have a question about the conspiracy. For the 5 Human + 1 AI setting, since the human pros know which player is AI (read from your previous response), is it possible for human players to conspire to beat the AI?

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by donk2019 »

Congrats Noam for the great breakthrough work!

I have a question about the conspiracy. For the 5 Human + 1 AI setting, since the human pros know which player is AI (read from your previous response), is it possible for human players to conspire to beat the AI? And in theory, for multi-player game, even the AI plays at the best strategy, is it still possible to be beat by conspiracy of other players?

Thanks.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by stronglikedan »

jfengel wrote: post #354
loup-vaillant wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe Northern Europe, maybe. French people for instance tend to suck at foreign languages. We rarely go beyond 3 languages (French, English, then German or Spanish. The last two are often forgotten after school.) I suspect Spain and Italy are similar.

As an American, I am now going to bang my head into a wall.

Nothing to do with being American, since you're afforded the luxury to learn other languages for free through public schooling. If anything, bang your head because you chose not to.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by Geimfari »

Beltiras wrote: post #304
diggan wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe Clearly we have different experiences (swedish person living in spain currently) but I haven't met that many people who speak four languages and are from a european country (but have yet to been in eastern europe). That finns speak swedish is a special case though, as AFAIK, they learn swedish in school and being finn-swedish is a thing too.

In Iceland it's pretty normal. We know Icelandic (ofc.) and learn English, one Scandinavian language (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian or Finnish), then at 15 one of German, French, Italian or Spanish. We are on an island in the middle of the Atlantic. I'd expect more linguistic pluralities on the mainland.

I feel that's a bit of an overstatement, having studied them a bit is one thing, but most people here cannot comfortably communicate at all in Danish or a 4th language, and cannot read a book in these languages.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by reitoei »

jacquesm wrote: post #296
thomasfl wrote: post #283

One of the researchers, Tuomas Sundholm, has a real badass CV. Former pilot in the Finnish airforce. Finnish windsurfer champion. Snowboarder. Professor at Carnegie Mellon. Speaks four european languages, including swedish. And now at the age of 51, he has created the best AI powered poker bot. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sandholm/cv.pdf

Not to belittle the man's other achievements but speaking four languages is pretty normal in Europe, except when you're from the UK.

Irish person here.

It's not normal.

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