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you need more than laws, you need enforcement of those laws.

How do you enforce laws in international waters on foreign flagged ships?

shrug. wasnt addressing that situation specifically. but the means would be established by negotiated treaty, obviously.

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Yep, mainly coconut or almond milk. He was breastfed until he was about 22 months old.

Isn't consuming human breastmilk and being vegan/animal-free a contradiction? Thanks for sharing & best wishes for your family's health. I hope you have allowed for proper vaccinations.

To be honest I haven't put much thought into that perspective, it's a good question. Breastfeeding was never a question for us, even on a vegan diet. I wonder what other vegans think of this question.

As I continued being vegan, I realized that the spectrum which is actually important is raw vs. processed foods, and less so meat vs plants. I think a lot of people who "do vegan right" end up just eat less processed crap in general and end up being healthy, not necessarily because of eating less/no meat. However, there are vegans that get on the "oreo diet" and just eat junk food 24/7 - those are not healthy vegans.

Thank you for the kind words, and likewise.

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With a navy. Environmental protection is a better casus belli than most wars get.

These kinds of responses are akin to “If it’s illegal and people are still doing it, then clearly the solution is to make it extra illegal!”

These kind of comments are akin to "why bother with laws if people break them?" Environmental crimes like using plastic nets should be treated as smuggling or piracy is. Total elimination of plastic nets likely won't be possible, just as total elimination of smuggling and piracy hasn't been achieved, but usage would certainly be reduced and any reduction is a win for the environment.

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So called "developed" countries were once similarly careless with their waste. And their developed status was a result of such carelessness and the free expansion of their industries. It seems slightly unfair to expect developing countries to achieve a similar level of development via a sustainable methodology immediately, when that has not been the path for the richest countries in the world. (Given that developing…

So we should give all developing countries a pass on destroying the habitability of the planet because we used to be as bad ourselves when we didn't know better? While it may be 'fair', I don't think that's sustainable. Even if these countries eventually become 'developed' and start behaving better, there will be new countries that will become 'developed' to take their place, and we'll just keep having these issues o…

I don't dispute that it is unsustainable. I agree with the sentiment of what you are saying (and did in the end of my comment) despite you strawmanning my comment. I was just making the point that assigning blame to current developing countries is unfair because blame should be equally apportioned to today's developed countries who, throughout their period of industrialisation, kicked off the anthropocene.

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So called "developed" countries were once similarly careless with their waste. And their developed status was a result of such carelessness and the free expansion of their industries. It seems slightly unfair to expect developing countries to achieve a similar level of development via a sustainable methodology immediately, when that has not been the path for the richest countries in the world. (Given that developing…

The countries listed above are far more developed than you are giving them credit for. They absolutely have the ability to recycle.

Of course they have the ability to recycle. They even have the ability to be 100% sustainable (e.g. Costa Rica). My point was on the matter of anthropocene blame culture.

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I am not sure that is good advice. Fixing the fishing industry is important, overfishing is rampant as is plastic waste from it. But fish is probably one of the best alternatives we have to other environmentally unfriendly meats we currently raise. As populations grow it is proving to be key to keeping everyone fed. Farmed fish most importantly will soon be the majority of fish consumed. Getting ocean based fishing t…

We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy, and meat & fish are very resource intensive. We're better off redirecting all the resources we currently waste trying to feed 8 billion people this way into sustainable, plant-based diets anyway.

>We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy

Bollocks! Meat is one of the healthiest and nutritionally rich sources of food available! Toxic transfat is made from polyunsaturated vegetable oils, and diabetes causing sugars is from grains and high sugar plants! The easiest weight loss in the world is a meat based, 70% kcal from animal fat, minimal vegetable, zero carb diet: lost 80 lbs/yr myself on it without an extra step taken to exercise. Just sat on my @ss and lost the weight! Veganism as healthy is a big fat unhealthy meme!

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Doesn't farmed fish undo some of the advantages of eating fish? The big advantage of fishing over farmed meat is that we do not feed fish food grown on fields that could have fed people (which is a big part of the reason why meat is so economically inefficient). Fish just roam the seas and we scoop them out, with very little investment on our part. Of course the fact that fish is such a relatively efficient source of…

Unless we miraculously figure out some way to convince people to stop attempting to exponentially increase the human population, it's pretty much a sure thing that we'll strip or pollute the oceans free of food sources.

You don't have to convince European-demographics of this, they're already an overwhelming worldwide minority and shrinking. You need to stop importing third worlders into the West and go to their sources: Latin America, India, Africa, and convince them there to stop breeding (with Africa, cutting off food aid and letting nature take its course should do just as well).

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For people saying vegan diets might not be healthy it's trivial to find information online about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan_nutrition > The American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (formerly known as the American Dietetic Association), Dietitians of Canada and the British Dietetic Association[6] state that well-planned vegan diets can meet all human nutrient requirements and are appropriate for all…

None of this means a vegan diet might not be healthy for _some subset_ of the population. No one on earth has ANY diet that can be said to be "healthy" for anyone and everyone. Putting allergens, auto-immune disorders, GI disorders, etc. aside, people have been shown to process various energy sources with varying degrees of consequences.

I have one: meat primary zero carb.

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The attitude to recycling needs to change. Right now it is something you have to do or something that makes you feel good about yourself. But it is fundamentally still an optional thing and an afterthought. It's nice that that iphone is packaged nicely but that wasn't the reason you bought it. It needs to stop being optional and it needs to be something that is part of the product design process. Companies are not cu…

Recycling is the problem. It takes additional fossil fuels for transportation and processing to ship to across the ocean and be dumped in a river. Disposing of plastic waste in landfills is by far the best environmental option.

>landfills

That's my reasoning: today's waste zones will become tomorrow's resource mines, once the economics of recycling finally become organically profitable!

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These countries import waste from many other countries, including the US.

They should start thinking about producing enough waste for themselves if they're unable to get by without imports, this creates a huge dependency on the US and most developed countries are completely self-sufficient when it comes to waste production.

LOL I love your sense of humor!
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