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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by lucideer »

stingraycharles wrote: post #190
lucideer wrote: post #173

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I'm in favour of this trend for this very reason. One should never implicitly assume you know it's the company you expect in any case.

That’s a bit of a stretch, not? If I visit dev.somesite.com, I can reasonably assume it belongs to the same owner as somesite.com. The same can not be said about somesite.dev.

My point was more about the assumption about who owns somesite.com. Assuming two domains are owned by the same company is a somewhat secondary concern to authenticating the owner of either; both of which are larger issues in their own right.

As commented by someone else, see e.g. whitehouse.com. The fact of whitehouse.gov being a different owner is much less of concern than that of whitehouse.com not having the expected owner in the first place (from the perspective of most visitors).

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Post by deadmutex »

sundvor wrote: post #349
nikanj wrote: post #308

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And would I have any way to actually reach a human at Google, aside from media heat from a Reddit/HN/etc front page story?

Probably none, going by the track record.

It really depends on the product. E.g. if you buy Google Wifi, you can call them or chat with customer support, etc. If you need help with constructing a web search query, not so much.

So, please do not over generalize or compare apples to oranges.

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Post by prepend »

bduerst wrote: post #297
ldiracdelta wrote: post #285

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If I register a domain, can google boot me off it at a later year if they don't like my politics? Or do I own the domain with the continuing option to re-register it or transfer to another domain registrar? Does google ultimately own the domains and simply lease them to me with no guaranteed option to continue?

That's a redundant question, because just about every registry can dictate what their TLDs can be used for. It's part of the design laid down by ICANN. - For Verisign with .com, they don't care if you're really a company or not. - With Minds & Machines and .law, they only want qualified lawyers, courts, legal schools, etc. using the TLD. Keep in mind that the registry and registrar are different things.

I think the difference is that Google boots folks off YouTube for political purposes while VeriSign does not kick people away from their .com.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by prepend »

jpatokal wrote: post #335
ilovecaching wrote: post #295

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Hi, just wanted to say how absolutely horrid this entire idea is. Domain name squatting and auctioning is already bad enough, and you're telling me we should give one of the richest companies in the world thousands of dollars for a domain name for development. This is completely counter to the spirit of the internet, and spits in the face of open source and passionate hobby developers who don't have silicon valley st…

I don't understand the bile here, nor the alternative. Today there are no .dev domains, so anything is an improvement: today you can't use them, tomorrow you can choose to if you think it makes sense. Re: price, say the .dev registrar decides to offer domains for a hobby-dev-friendly $1 flat fee, first come first served. Wouldn't that just immediately lead to a resale market where predatory squatters register all the…

I think it’s not cool to offer “early bird” registration for thousands of dollars. So Google is endorsing that rich developers should get the best domain names? How are they reserving for themself?

I think it would be cooler to have programming challenges or something neat.

But a cash grab just seems kind of, lame I guess.

I wouldn’t say I have bile, but I went from “this might be cool” reading the headline to “this is really stupid.”

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Post by Spivak »

reaperducer wrote: post #325
Spivak wrote: post #214

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Or use any of the million utilities for setting up a machine-local CA. mkcert is one.

You mean wait six to eight months for the IT security department in another division of the company in another state to -maybe- approve my cert request. Not all web development is three guys on Linux laptops at WeWork.

Why would you need a real cert? This is for your local machine, right? Use the tool, generate a CA, important into Mozilla's trust store, and go nuts.

I'm trying to imagine a webdev workflow where you couldn't get a machine-local CA working.

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Post by prepend »

dystopianqt wrote: post #319
tinco wrote: post #286

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I think their 8.8.8.8 DNS server has a pretty impressive track record for I think over 10 years. I know many people who changed their dns to 8.8.8.8 when they thought their DNS was shitty. Back in highschool (15yrs ago) pinging a DNS server was something I sometimes did when fixing people's internet, always used 212.142.28.66. No idea why it's still in my head so much later, 8.8.8.8 sure is a lot easier to remember.

And so is 1.1.1.1

1.1 is even easier (1.0.0.1)

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by prepend »

ghobs91 wrote: post #259
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

If I had to bet, the majority of .dev pages will be engineers posting their portfolio, not startups building developer tools.

Github.com/devname is way better than devname.dev

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Post by peterhadlaw »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #307
jjeaff wrote: post #302

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But don't worry, if a mistake happens, I'm sure you can just call Google's customer service and get it straightened out. Ha!

Paid google products, like google domains, have a 24-hour helpline https://domains.google.com/contactus I've heard that if you call during the day you get someone who's actually competent, not just some T1 support person.

Doesn't matter the level of support, the CEO of Cloudflare was involved and still ended up bringing politics into infrastructure.

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Post by Klathmon »

prepend wrote: post #354
jpatokal wrote: post #335

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I don't understand the bile here, nor the alternative. Today there are no .dev domains, so anything is an improvement: today you can't use them, tomorrow you can choose to if you think it makes sense. Re: price, say the .dev registrar decides to offer domains for a hobby-dev-friendly $1 flat fee, first come first served. Wouldn't that just immediately lead to a resale market where predatory squatters register all the…

I think it’s not cool to offer “early bird” registration for thousands of dollars. So Google is endorsing that rich developers should get the best domain names? How are they reserving for themself? I think it would be cooler to have programming challenges or something neat. But a cash grab just seems kind of, lame I guess. I wouldn’t say I have bile, but I went from “this might be cool” reading the headline to “this…

But if you don't think the dutch auction style is a good one, what would your alternative be?

Because the problem of resellers buying up TONS of domain names is a real one, and thus far a dutch auction style seems to be one good way to combat that (since buying 10000 names and selling 10% of them for an overall profit is a LOT more risky when getting them first means shelling out a LOT more money).

A challenge or something would probably drive costs up across the board, and it would still exclude those who want to use the domains that might not be able to complete the challenge (IMO a worse situation), and other methods of "verification" would either be gameable or would exclude many devs.

I don't know of any more "fair" way of allowing people to buy domains. Why should a hobbyist be able to buy "paypal.dev" when potentially thousands of devs could use that domain at paypal, and similarly "klathmon.dev" would be awesome to have for me, and it's pretty unlikely that someone will buy that out from under me with this scheme.

Not to mention that the timeline here is literally half a month. After Feb 28th, there is no additional charge. So we are talking about 2 weeks of waiting.

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