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Bill Gates promises to add his own billions if Congress does nuclear power push

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Re: Bill Gates promises to add his own billions if Congress does nuclear power push

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Your data is from 2015. There are plenty of sources illustrating that things have changed in that time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay#Green_energy_supply

Providing evidence that is speculative for one country is a far cry from the evidence needed to support a definitive statement about several countries, particularly when I provided a source that strongly suggests something to the contrary. I doubt every country on that list completely halted the use of non-renewables in the last 3-4 years given that use was in the double digits in many cases.

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Re: Bill Gates promises to add his own billions if Congress does nuclear power push

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> The footprint for nuclear is tiny, it might be competitive. Parent noted distinction between nuclear fission and nuclear fusion. I'm assuming here you're talking about nuclear fission exclusively. In any case, how sure are you that the footprint for nuclear is tiny? As I understand it the construction / commissioning costs are enormous - more than a coal or gas plant (eg. a breathtaking volume of concrete). The cos…

> As I understand it the construction / commissioning costs are enormous - more than a coal or gas plant (eg. a breathtaking volume of concrete). The construction costs are high predominantly as a result of inefficient (or in this case purposely obstructive) legal requirements. The government has literally been known to change the requirements a new reactor must be built under after the portion of the reactor subject…

> The construction costs are high predominantly as a result of inefficient (or in this case purposely obstructive) legal requirements.

This seems unlikely given a) several western governments are dead keen on nuclear renaissance, b) the high construction costs are historically, and in recent times, seen in each country dabbling with new nuclear fission plants, and c) the absence of claims from construction companies and investors in new nuclear fission plants about this alleged obstacle.

(Aside - Jeremy Legget's site has some great resources for cost and scheduling blowouts. He's partisan, but I've found no reason to doubt his sources or conclusions.)

> The energy produced through fission from one pound of uranium is the same as from burning 2.7 million pounds of coal.

I wasn't suggesting a disparity in source fuel volumes - I'm aware of how both burning stuff and fission works.

My point was that obtaining clean high quality fissionable material is non-trivial (if it weren't the case we'd probably all be dead).

I'm unconvinced that existing fuel rods can be used to power newer model fission reactors -- unless you're talking about MSR's, which I thought went out of favour last century, and we don't really have any 'modern' plants built (yet). Again, I refer to some of Leggett's work analysing some of the new UK plant constructions - way over cost and time expectations, and likely about to be abandoned by investors.

> Decommissioning costs are a thing invented to make nuclear seem more expensive by counting it in one place but not the other.

I don't understand. Are you suggesting it shouldn't be counted, or the comparison costs to renewables is being misstated?

Comparing it to coal mines is disingenuous, unless you think I'm pushing coal (I am not).

Comparing it to mines for 'raw material that go into solar panels' is more interesting, but I highly factoring that in would shift the balance sheet in favour of fission.

> And long-term waste management is only a thing for legacy reactors. The newer reactors use their "waste" as fuel, solving both problems.

If you're talking thorium and MSR's here, it's not strictly true, is it? Apart from the absence of any existing viable reactors, thorium reactors need, and produce, rare isotopes of uranium, with longer half lifes than say 235 or 238.

I'm at the edge of my knowledge here, to be sure, but ultimately the ramp-up times to build MSR's, the sheer volume required to replace the existing fission reactors, the experiences around the world of cost / schedule blow-outs, the trend for wind, solar thermal, storage, and and even solar PVC -- all seem to indicate fission isn't really a sensible option now.

Re: Bill Gates promises to add his own billions if Congress does nuclear power push

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Hang on, are you absolutely sure that renewables are less damaging than nuclear? The footprint for nuclear is tiny, it might be competitive. Fukashima was a level 7 nuclear distaster, so that is as bad as it gets. The actual damage done is objectivly not that bad compared to a lot of things we have accepted in the past with only increased safety regulation (like dam failures). 2 lvl 7 accidents in 35 years; and desig…

The mortality per TWh has nuclear winning by a long shot. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-d...

To be clear: Winning in your comment is LEAST deaths per TWH.
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