Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin • Hacker News Board

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by raptorfactor » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:50 AM UTC

pfranz wrote: post #286

unethical_ban wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sites?

I was doing some work with very large data sets in Google Sheets last week. I started hitting row and cell limits. Personally, I think a database is more appropriate for what I was doing, but spreadsheets are more grokable by non-techies. In Firefox, macOS was showing 4+GB of memory usage and formulas would take hours to run. I switched to Safari where memory usage was closer to 1-2GB, but it had this habit of refres…

Do you have examples which aren't Google sites?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by berbec » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:51 AM UTC

edwintorok wrote: post #317

metalliqaz wrote: post #183

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But the design document only mentions retaining the old API for features that aren't possible with the new API, such as onAuthRequired. So it would still cripple uBlock

What if someone would create a pull request to implement unlock origin natively inside chromium, instead of an extension. If such a PR met all technical criteria, would Chromium project accept it?

No. Google would not include, as a built-in part of Chromium that is installed by default, a feature to lower their ad revenue.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:51 AM UTC

driverdan wrote: post #277

cheez wrote: post #195

If uBlock stops working... I stop using Chrome. Simple as that.

Don't threaten, don't wait, do it now.

Threats are useful for shaping behavior. Disengaging with someone because they suggested something you disagree with can be good for shaping behavior, but it's really pretty extremist.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by philliphaydon » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:52 AM UTC

edwintorok wrote: post #317

metalliqaz wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the design document only mentions retaining the old API for features that aren't possible with the new API, such as onAuthRequired. So it would still cripple uBlock

What if someone would create a pull request to implement unlock origin natively inside chromium, instead of an extension. If such a PR met all technical criteria, would Chromium project accept it?

Of course not.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by berbec » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:52 AM UTC

mrawesome8 wrote: post #337

cheez wrote: post #195

If uBlock stops working... I stop using Chrome. Simple as that.

I highly suggest looking into Opera. It is also based on Chromium and therefore backwards compatible with extensions, bookmarks, etc. I switched around 6 months ago and haven't looked back since! They have built in VPN, adblocker, Turbo, screenshot, news, and more! Been really happy with it so far.

If it's based on Chromium, this will effect it.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by berbec » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:53 AM UTC

davb wrote: post #326

jaxn wrote: post #235

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Pi-hole covers you regardless of browser.

One of my concerns is that DNS over HTTP(s) is really just a way to obfuscate DNS queries from the oversight of network level ad blockers like Pi Hole, AdBloka et al.

That's why you use DoH from you pihole, not your computer/phone etc.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by berbec » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:54 AM UTC

paavoova wrote: post #323

jaxn wrote: post #235

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Pi-hole covers you regardless of browser.

So this only blocks/matches known domains? That isn't nearly as useful as to what uMatrix/uBlock allow, such as filtering by resource type. E.g. you may want to disable all JS by default, which uBlock allows.

Yes. Pihole and the like can only block domains, adserver.doubleclick.com.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:54 AM UTC

davb wrote: post #326

jaxn wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pi-hole covers you regardless of browser.

One of my concerns is that DNS over HTTP(s) is really just a way to obfuscate DNS queries from the oversight of network level ad blockers like Pi Hole, AdBloka et al.

You might've noticed most of the new Internet protocols Google is championing move to pushing things through HTTPS where they cannot be intercepted and provide a guaranteed tunnel between the servers (statistically speaking, Google), and the browser (also, statistically speaking, Google). I would never go so far as to speculate why, but it does appear Google is heavily focused on this.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by aerovistae » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:56 AM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #304

kowdermeister wrote: post #281

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What are your HW specs? Gmail is fast as ever for me, the UI works just fine on both Mac and PC.

Quad core, sixteen gigs of RAM, and it takes several seconds of "Loading" to delete an email. It's comical. If you're using Chrome you might not have the issue, Google uses a lot of proprietary Chrome only tricks to make their websites even borderline usable.

Bingo.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by Guest10928391 » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:58 AM UTC

raptorfactor wrote: post #351

pfranz wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was doing some work with very large data sets in Google Sheets last week. I started hitting row and cell limits. Personally, I think a database is more appropriate for what I was doing, but spreadsheets are more grokable by non-techies. In Firefox, macOS was showing 4+GB of memory usage and formulas would take hours to run. I switched to Safari where memory usage was closer to 1-2GB, but it had this habit of refres…

Do you have examples which aren't Google sites?

I get issues almost daily with well respected sites not working in Firefox.

Today I'm browsing the Adidas website, and the images don't load for any of the products in Firefox.

https://www.adidas.com/us/ultraboost-all-terrain-ltd-shoes/B...

Apparently they're WEBP images and my version of Firefox (version 64) doesn't support them, but searching online I read that the upcoming Firefox version 65 is suppose to fix that issue.

Strangely enough, the images were working fine a few weeks ago on the Adidas website, but I had a different Firefox issue. When I clicked the images to see the fullscreen view and zoomed in, they wouldn't pan or drag correctly, so 80% of the image was hidden off the screen. In Chrome, they worked as expected.

That's one example, but as I said, I get these kind of issues almost daily from companies that should know better. I still primarily use Firefox because I have no trust in Google, but I'm forced to open Chrome on a regular basis to resolve random quirks.