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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by mlindner »

cronix wrote: post #224
vengefulduck wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they don’t send it over the internet and it never leaves the device

My larger point was about all of the data, not biometrics specifically. Great, your fingerprint never left the device. Everything else does, which is probably way more personal data than just a fingerprint. Your fingerprint really does me no good unless I want to try to frame you for a crime, or want to get into your specific device or other thing that requires biometrics (maybe your work). Your data, I can make use…

None of the data you describe ever leaves the device unless you opt in to syncing it to iCloud (which is not on by default). The FaceID/Fingerprint never leaves the device and if you don't enable iCloud syncing of the other data off the device the data is unreachable with keys kept on the device.

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Post by ezrast »

andrepd wrote: post #338
tyingq wrote: post #311

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Brin and Page pretty much say it's inevitable that a commerical search engine will succumb to "evil". The only solution they present is an academic/non-profit run search engine. http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html (scroll down to "Appendix A: Advertising and Mixed Motives")

The owners of a commercial search engine say that it's inevitable that a commercial search engine will succumb to evil. Hmmm.

Not to put too fine a point on it, they once said that - the linked paper from Brin and Page was published in 1998, when they were still students.

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Post by [deleted] »

mtmail wrote: post #9

Some paint it as if the main reason to switch was privacy ( https://www.imore.com/duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because... "DuckDuckGo switches to Apple Maps, because privacy"), but the previous map provider was mapbox (openstreetmap plus commercial sources) and I doubt mapbox collected more data than Apple is now.

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Post by kiwijamo »

clairity wrote: post #42
reaperducer wrote: post #19

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It's regional. For a long time (in internet time), Apple Maps were clearly inferior to Google Maps. These days, it's more nuanced. In some geographies they have parity. In a select few, Apple is ahead. For most, though, Google is better. For speed and privacy reasons, I check Apple Maps first. If I don't find what I'm looking for, then I go to Google Maps and follow up by force-quitting Google Maps when I'm done.

where do you think apple maps is better than google? google maps is the only google service i still use on a regular basis because it's clearly better than apple maps for me (california mostly). apple maps is ok for simple use cases like finding a known business, but an ambiguous search on google maps is almost always better, as is their routing. i'd love to find a better mapping service for these more complicated us…

Here in NZ I have used Apple maps as my first port of call for a few years. It’s improved a lot. On the rare occasions I’ve been led astray I’ve submitted reports and all have been followed up with fairly quickly. Driving time estimation also seem to be conservative to the point I usually arrive 5mims early which is a good thing in my opinion. I also find Apple directions does a good job of avoiding awkward turns and working out a good overall route. I also receive good and timely traffic and road closure notifications mid trip which allows me to easily reroute my journey even while en route. Another advantage is good public transit directions particually during my holiday in Europe last year. Apple is generally good enough that I don’t even have the Google Maps app anymore.

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Post by latexr »

uabstraction wrote: post #340
latexr wrote: post #249

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> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Oh please! Apple may not represent the same privacy clusterfuck that Google does, but that doesn't make them good. They still are absolutely abhorrent with regards to vendor lock-in and planned obsolescence.

So in response to “this company isn’t bad in this particular area” your argument is “Oh please! They may not be bad in that area, but what about all these unrelated areas where they are bad”?

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Post by kerng »

gowld wrote: post #41
mtmail wrote: post #9

Some paint it as if the main reason to switch was privacy ( https://www.imore.com/duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because... "DuckDuckGo switches to Apple Maps, because privacy"), but the previous map provider was mapbox (openstreetmap plus commercial sources) and I doubt mapbox collected more data than Apple is now.

DDG's main marketing model is talking about how they believe Google is privacy threat, so they'll highlight that angle in any change.

Is Google not a privacy threat?

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Post by gschrader »

cageface wrote: post #285

I’m a bit concerned about how much data Google has on me and I do think Apple is genuinely more concerned about user privacy. But what’s the difference in practical terms really? Google uses my data to target ads at me but doesn’t actually give any of my data to its ad-buying customers. Apple doesn’t do this but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena. Since this is really the scenari…

> but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena.

Are you suggesting Google doesn’t also have to do this?

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Post by cageface »

gschrader wrote: post #358
cageface wrote: post #285

I’m a bit concerned about how much data Google has on me and I do think Apple is genuinely more concerned about user privacy. But what’s the difference in practical terms really? Google uses my data to target ads at me but doesn’t actually give any of my data to its ad-buying customers. Apple doesn’t do this but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena. Since this is really the scenari…

> but is obliged to turn over my iCloud data to the government with a subpoena. Are you suggesting Google doesn’t also have to do this?

No my point is that all cloud providers have to do this so there's not as much difference in effective privacy between them as discussions often seem to assume.

Seems like you need to store all your data locally or encrypted on your own servers if you really want privacy.

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