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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by crehn »

manigandham wrote: post #322
swalladge wrote: post #305

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

Meanwhile Chrome is a bloated resource hog that, despite its resource usage, still scrolls like early Android phones. It's embarrassingly bad compared to Safari's buttery smooth scrolling.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pjmlp »

simfoo wrote: post #285

More monoculture :( I'm just waiting for the day Microsoft announces that they are dropping their own compiler in favor of Clang/LLVM.

Well, they have taken the effort of making C++/WinRT work with clang, and are contributing to the co-routines implementation in clang.

But they have adopted GCC for Azure Sphere though.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by kccqzy »

cletus wrote: post #278
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Microsoft only releases it on one OS. so if you happen to use a Mac or Linux you need another browser. Chrome and Firefox are the only viable options. Also Microsoft are victims of their own legacy, namely what they did with Internet Explorer. Changing the box model, not adopting standards, not fixing bugs, causing no end of headaches for people having to support IE and so on. Trust needs to be earned. Apple had the…

> Changing the box model

Most of the things you said I agree. But honestly the box model is one of these. The additive model standardized by W3C isn't really popular in the web designer crowd. I cut my teeth in an era where W3C and standard compliance were huge things, so I accepted the additive model without question. Nowadays though many designers opt for Microsoft's "broken" box model aka subtractive model through the box-sizing property.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vijaybritto »

sunaurus wrote: post #321
vijaybritto wrote: post #317

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The main reason developers prefer chrome over firefox is the devtools hands down. When firebug was amazing in the jquery era, we used firefox but now chrome's devtools is simple, fast and full featured to use. If firefox's devtools is as good as or better than chrome's maybe things can change!

What specifically do you find better in the Chrome devtools? I find Firefox devtools to be slightly nicer (but I don't really think either one has a massive edge over the other).

1.speed - FF tools always take time to open a script file. Chrome hickups only for huge files which is understandable. 2. Sourcemaps doesnt work most of the times in webpack bundles. Dont know why. (Maybe they tested only for chrome or something.) 3. This new FF devtools was developed after chrome took the dev mindshare and familiarity. I don't see FF devtools very compelling to be used all the time. No disrespect, but there is no incentive or visible improvement in productivity. 4. I'm a react dev now, the react dev tools plugin in FF is laggy. Not pleasant to use. I can go on like this. But maybe for your use case, FF devtools is better.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by kowdermeister »

Someone1234 wrote: post #41
zapzupnz wrote: post #31

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Chromium has greater share, so I think it would be more the Chromium team.

How independent are Chromium from Google/Chrome? Legitimately asking.

Independent enough for Microsoft to pick it up. I think this will be amazing.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by kkarakk »

sleavey wrote: post #324
wlll wrote: post #291

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As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

Spell check just needs a dictionary installed, not a plugin. This takes about three clicks.

three clicks i'd never heard out til today(i just got irritated by the lack of functionality and do my form filling in chrome)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by toofy »

sleavey wrote: post #324
wlll wrote: post #291

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As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

Spell check just needs a dictionary installed, not a plugin. This takes about three clicks.

I'm guessing they meant "No spellcheck in forms without jumping through more hoops."

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by manigandham »

crehn wrote: post #351
manigandham wrote: post #322

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Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

Meanwhile Chrome is a bloated resource hog that, despite its resource usage, still scrolls like early Android phones. It's embarrassingly bad compared to Safari's buttery smooth scrolling.

Is it? I find a lot of these performance views are very subjective depending on multitasking, hardware, gpu, extensions, etc. Chrome has always served me well, and the built-in sync and consistency on mac + windows is what I like best. I would rather compete on features and general standards compliance, and then let people choose their own experience on top.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by snaky »

aphextron wrote: post #211
JohnBooty wrote: post #179

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Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? (Obviously, MS will maintain their own fork and can permanently fork away whenever they want/need to, I guess, so it's not like they've locked themselves in forever, but still) I actually wasn't aware of the problems with Edge. This is the first I've heard of them... I…

>Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? Chromium != Google. Chromium is the FOSS project that Chrome is based off of.

Just try to build it not using Google's internal builds of various tools and libraries.
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