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AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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The exact same things are done constantly by big companies (Google, Apple, etc.). The only difference is you have much less recourse when it happens there. At least the government gives you rights you can fight for in court.

What's the process for fighting this in a Chinese court?

get jailed and shot for being subversive probably

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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I'm seriously confused by what went down. First off, why are the police even reporting this? Secondly, what can the system even do? I'd believe a system could detect a person jaywalking. Identifying them is a huge problem though. running facial recognition against a billion person corpus seems impossible (in fact what even is your match data coming from?). (?). Wouldn't you need to narrow it down somehow, perhaps usi…

chinese corp claims it can complete matching the whole population in 1 second but it's china so who knows what it's actually doing

http://www.atimes.com/article/surveillance-system-can-scan-c...

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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If the escalation is accessible, everyone will try it. That includes anyone who got handled correctly. And as detection becomes more accurate, an even larger ratio of escalations will be blatantly wrong. This explains why slightly inept well meaning companies shy away from such escalation paths. I wonder about the stats on appeals in court. How many are successful. How many go to an appeal at all. How costly is a sin…

Some games (League of Legends, Ingress) have or had crowdsourced 1st level appeals for minor infractions. Maybe that's the way to go. I know many volunteers answer Google's forums.

yes i want a random dude who thinks asian people are just naturally bad drivers to judge my traffic fine

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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It should be noted that many countries that have proportional fines seem to consider speeding to be somewhere close to the severity the American legal system assigns to drunk driving. It shocks me a little to think of a 14 days worth of income fine for going 45mph in a 30mph zone, yet when I think of the massive death toll from driving it's very possible my attitudes are not where they should be.

It's a bit of a tangent, but all the roads I've seen labeled 30mph or 35mph would be quite safe to take at 45. The flow of traffic is 5mph over anyway. But this is with residential roads universally at 25mph. I'm not sure what kind of road he was on.

Urban speed limits aren't set by what speed your car is safe to drive at, but rather what speed is safe that you're less likely to hit pedestrians and other cars.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Finland, I believe, scales fines proportionally to your income. Not perfect (the rich can more easily hide their income than the not so rich), but a good start.

The problem isn’t so much that the rich can hide their income more easily, it‘s that the value of money doesn’t increase linearly. The more money you have available, the less valuable any additional unit of money is to you and the less it hurts if money is taken away from you. Proportional fines help, but they aren’t perfectly fair.

How about fine based on a small fixed amount plus an increased income tax rate for some time?

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

#356

I'm seriously confused by what went down. First off, why are the police even reporting this? Secondly, what can the system even do? I'd believe a system could detect a person jaywalking. Identifying them is a huge problem though. running facial recognition against a billion person corpus seems impossible (in fact what even is your match data coming from?). (?). Wouldn't you need to narrow it down somehow, perhaps usi…

chinese corp claims it can complete matching the whole population in 1 second but it's china so who knows what it's actually doing http://www.atimes.com/article/surveillance-system-can-scan-c...

Ya, I'm dubious there. accuracy rate "up to" 99.8%? What does "up to" mean?

This article paints a much more realistic view of what face rec can do, which jives with my 10 year dated experience in this field:

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-facial-recognition-lim...

Impressive for sure, but nowhere at the ability of scanning the entire country (which in addition to no algorithm being capable of doing that, you also have the problem that you lack data to even match against the entire country)

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

The purpose of computers is to enhance the ability of humans who have a job to accomplish, not do their job for them. If we don't figure this out as a society, we're doomed.

"I predict that within fifteen years, AI will be able to replace 40 to 50 percent of jobs in the US." - Kai-Fu Lee

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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The 900k computer processes are unlikely to refuse to follow the updated protocol because it's immoral/fascist/illiberal/undemocratic/whatever too. Cuts both ways it seems.

I'm not sure the humans are particularly likely to refuse immoral, fascist or undemocratic orders.

My point exactly. There is no reason to believe the people training and overseeing the AI is more moral or less biased than ordinary human policemen.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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It's because the streets were originally for pedestrians. Cars invaded the space previously used by people walking. Why does wearing a big box give you the right to own the road? By that logic I should be able to ride my bike on the footpath and blame any pedestrians I hit.

This is not historically correct. Streets exist for carts and chariots and carriages. These are drawn by horses, oxen, mules, donkeys, and stranger things. Those were probably killing jaywalkers in ancient Rome. Pedestrians only need paths, which may have staircases and stepping stones.

Humans can coexist well with those things, unlike cars.

http://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/c/c/3/a/cc3a56fafeaa6119/S...

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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> The police said they have upgraded their tech to avoid issues like this in the future. if (person_id == "Dong Mingzhu") { // TODO: generalise this return false }

which soon becomes if (person_score > 10) ...

no, it would become

    if (person_score == 100)
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