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GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by bnolsen »

notveryrational wrote: post #66

Microsoft can not buy goodwill with me, personally. I worked at the company and was privy to "strategic conversations" whereby they were looking to regain trust with developers to get them back from Android and Google to Windows stack. Microsoft practically forced us to use Windows stack for anything and everything, even when there were much better tools. Under Satya, it was better, but the emphasis is still very muc…

Microsoft isn't going for the developers as much as for the development managers and technology company management. They build up a grand picture of the universal MS platform that can be used to target any platform and try to sell it to corporate.

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by pritambaral »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #328
ysavir wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP's point is that the nature of MicroSoft, as a platform, isn't lined up with your interests. They aren't looking to be developer friendly--that is, present you, as a developer more and better options. Since MicroSoft is a _platform_, their interest is to _limit_ your options to MicroSoft so that you aren't developing and enriching competing platforms. GP, if I am understanding correctly, is implying that th…

This is getting tinfoil hattery. Microsoft sells a platform. The success of that platform is based on convincing users and their agents to buy the platform. The platform is appealing because developers make money by creating apps or it. Has Microsoft done awful and possibly illegal things to competitors? Of course. But they've been the best for developers. Best dev tools, most powerful and widely deployed OS, at leas…

> But they've been the best for developers.

Microsoft has screwed developers on their own platforms too, when they didn't fall 100% in lockstep with Microsoft's whimsical decisions and about-turns.

> Best dev tools, most powerful and widely deployed OS

I strongly disagree they built the best dev tools or the "most powerful and widely deployed OS", but I'm going to talk about a more important point here.

There's a difference between making a product that is better that everything else, and preventing others from making a product better than yours. When you let one maker — irrespective of whether they make the best product or not — bully and cheat their way into preventing other makers from competing, you are and shall be left with a sub-par product.

One example: Microsoft single-handedly held back the web for close to a decade, all so it could continue to sell Windows licenses. As a result, the world suffered.

There's a lot of progress that was stifled and/or killed off — some of which we may never get again — by Microsoft, just to protect its OS, by abusing its position on the market.

It wasn't their dev tools or their "most powerful and widely deployed OS" that made them infamous, it was their own actions.

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by Buetol »

rmc wrote: post #311
Buetol wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also use another instance, like https://framagit.org , which is hosted by an independent org who fights for Libre Software since many years.

All your links will point to gitlab.com, you'll have top change everything again. The problem is centralization.

Which links ? Because if I host my projects on framagit, there’s no link to gitlab except maybe for documentation

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by pritambaral »

oblio wrote: post #215
badminton1 wrote: post #122

The difference between "the old Microsoft" (monopolistic, openly insulting/abusive) and "the new Microsoft" is like the difference between colonialism and neocolonialism. - Colonialism consisted in annexing territory, forcing them to use your flag, sing your anthem, and work for you under penalty of violence. - Neocolonialism consists into forcibly indebt countries, so they direct all their productive efforts into pa…

Honest question: Is there any app from another Big 5 company that has a good Linux version? I'm especially interested in desktop apps.

Google Chrome/Chromium.

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by bitmapbrother »

rainbowmverse wrote: post #290
bitmapbrother wrote: post #58

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Considering Google has over 2000 plus open source projects I find it hard to believe how Microsoft is doing a better job of doing open source than Google . Additionally, I find it comical that you would even suggest that a company that has sued other companies for using open source software is even in the conversation with companies that have championed open source software since their inception. There is no undo but…

I assume you're not using Google's GitHub profile as a measure since Google's has fewer repositories than Microsoft's. Where does the 2000 number come from?

https://opensource.google.com/

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by badminton1 »

oblio wrote: post #215
badminton1 wrote: post #122

The difference between "the old Microsoft" (monopolistic, openly insulting/abusive) and "the new Microsoft" is like the difference between colonialism and neocolonialism. - Colonialism consisted in annexing territory, forcing them to use your flag, sing your anthem, and work for you under penalty of violence. - Neocolonialism consists into forcibly indebt countries, so they direct all their productive efforts into pa…

Honest question: Is there any app from another Big 5 company that has a good Linux version? I'm especially interested in desktop apps.

There's good proprietary software on Linux.

Web browsers (Chrome, Firefox...), Math packages (Mathematica, Maple, RStudio)... and others like Spotify, Steam...

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by fourthark »

sergiosgc wrote: post #302
sbhn wrote: post #287

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If you never paid, well that’s because you entered the scene after Microsoft’s commoditising effect of the browser market had taken effect. You now had a choice.

You've got your history wrong. Free browsers were always available. Mosaic first, Netscape and then Firefox, with plenty of other lower market share offerings. Microsoft didn't commoditize anything.

Netscape was basically shareware - it cost money, but hardly anyone paid for it.

Since shareware is kind of an alien concept these days, many people remember Netscape as "always free" but it was not really.

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Post by taakd »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #97
taakd wrote: post #51

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Only OpenStack is fully open source and fairly feature complete, with a few dozen providers using the OpenStack platform. OVH, who owns the largest datacenter in North America uses OpenStack, they're actually one of the largest contributors. Red Hat & IBM both seem to be really pushing private deployments as of late for their larger clients that already own large DCs.

Knowing that OVH uses a piece of software makes me want to never use that piece of software. They are the worst quality cloud provider, IMO.

Did they kill your puppy? I've got multiple servers and VMs with them, uptime and connectivity is great.

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

gaius wrote: post #347
jacksmith21006 wrote: post #317

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Looks like a pretty strong exit from GitHub to GitLab. Just hope most go to a common place which appears it will be GitLab.

Just hope most go to a common place which appears it will be GitLab You know that Gitlab is also VC backed, right? They have to exit in the same way as Github did. It’s baked into their DNA. The only question now is who buys them. What will you do if that’s Oracle?

But GitLab has an open core and GitHub is closed source.

Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button

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Post by rmc »

Buetol wrote: post #353
rmc wrote: post #311

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All your links will point to gitlab.com, you'll have top change everything again. The problem is centralization.

Which links ? Because if I host my projects on framagit, there’s no link to gitlab except maybe for documentation

There'll be a link to framagit.org. Links from other parts of the web. When someone blogs about your software, it'll be a link to that URL etc
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