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How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by Noos »

contingencies wrote: post #338
jrwiegand wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that not owning a car would be better than owning. But simply saying "you should move to a better place" is not only a privileged statement but also a callous one. You assume people are not in a place for important reasons like staying close to family, working for a company they like, simply loving where they live or not being able to afford living to an urban environment. These are all valid and if not ownin…

I personally choose not to live in a freezing place, and most people can do that. Even without crossing a border intra-EU/CN/US/AU moves achieve this goal. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di... and order by 'emission per capita'.

You exchange freezing for warming, as if walking in 100 degree temperatures works any more than 0 degrees.

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by yesenadam »

mieseratte wrote: post #203
geofft wrote: post #164

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This is the same United States where just about everyone already carries a tracking device by choice, where lots of people have installed 24/7 network-connected microphones in their homes, and where everyone believes you need ID to fly. This is the same United States where a common political argument is that of course ID should be required to vote because ID is required for everything else, and citizens should just c…

I'm going to assume this is a good-faith argument and not a "bury them in BS" reply: > This is the same United States where just about everyone already carries a tracking device by choice. Sure, that's a very reasonable counter-point, however not everyone does. > where lots of people have installed 24/7 network-connected microphones in their homes Plenty of folks find asking a wiretap for pancake recipes fine, and th…

>I'm going to assume this is a good-faith argument and not a "bury them in BS" reply

That reads so snarkily. You announce that what the other guy wrote sounds like a lot of BS, or you strongly suspect it is (why mention that otherwise) but you will very generously act as though it's not. It's good to assume good faith, not so good to announce it like that.

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by kazinator »

kevinschumacher wrote: post #349
freehunter wrote: post #286

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Granted I don't live in LA, but I've visited many times and I'm surprised by this comment because it doesn't match my experience. I"m much more familiar with Chicago, where a taxi cab will jump a curb just for the chance to run down a pedestrian. Meanwhile every time I've tried to cross a road in LA, the minute I lift one foot off the ground while standing at a crosswalk, traffic in both directions comes screeching t…

At crosswalks that don’t have lights, they have to stop for you when you’re there. This is also heavily enforced. But in areas without crosswalks, you’ll get a ticket for stepping into the street even if there are no cars coming. Edit: clarity

If no motor vehicles are coming, then no police car or motor bike is coming, so you don't get a ticket. Unless it's a cop on horseback or bicycle. Or else the cop was already present there on foot, in which case don't do that!

People who get tickets deserve them because they are obviously not paying attention to their surroundings.

If you can't see that a cop is there, what else can't you see?

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by autokad »

verylittlemeat wrote: post #332
Noos wrote: post #305

Can HN please stop it with this "not owning a car is virtuous" shtick? I went most of my younger life not having a car, only learning to drive at age 28. I lived in a new england suburb close enough to go to my work and shopping services at a ten minute walk at the time, and it still was horrid. People here don't get how limited your life is without a car. You are limited to a ten-fifteen mile radius for everything,…

I'm in my 30s / no license / live in nyc my whole life I would be surprised to learn someone over the age of 16 doesn't have their license in a new england suburb. In my limited experience public transit is terrible in smaller US cities. The truth is in NYC I don't even think about owning a car. In fact the opposite is true, sometimes I think to myself "wow, I'm so glad I can live my life and don't have to worry abou…

Edit: I retract what I said below taking verylittlemeat's comments into account.

i dont know what the value of 'i live in nyc and i dont need a car' provides. everyone already knows most people in nyc doesnt need a car. the problem is getting people in the densely packed urban areas to understand not all people can (or wants to) live without a car. likewise europeans, we get it, a lot of you dont need a car.

there is very few places in the US most people can function without a car. Philadelphia, NYC, and DC that I can think of. I guess SF, but walking around there was really hard for me.

In Philly, I can walk nearly everywhere and get what I need. like you, it would cost me a ton of money even if I were given a car. I dont need it, and I dont want one. However, I am also a bit trapped in the city. if I want to do any hiking or anything 'outdoorsy', I either have to ask someone to give me a ride or I simply cant do it.

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by scoot »

Fantastic photo from 1914, but while the peope are gone, and the buildings are barely recognisable, I'm not sure the car has completely taken over on that particular street (Orhard and Hester facing SSW towards Division St.)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hester+St,+New+York,+NY,...

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Post by woahdudebro »

gamblor956 wrote: post #263
notyourday wrote: post #245

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Silly rabbit. We jack up the price without a location tracking and offer a 10k incentive to do location tracking. No location tracking = new policy price Location tracking = new policy price - 10K. New policy price = old policy price + 10k

Any insurer which raises rates to pay for this would quickly lose most of its business unless they're (a) the only insurer in the state or (b) convince the rest of the insurers in-state to collude on pricing. The first isn't the case of any state with respect to auto insurance, and the second is a state and federal felony punishable by many years in jail for any executive stupid enough to participate. And that's assu…

>the second is a state and federal felony punishable by many years in jail for any executive stupid enough to participate.

Not true for insurance companies, they are exempt from antitrust law under the McCarran-Ferguson Act.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran–Ferguson_Act

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by emj »

robocat wrote: post #266
btrettel wrote: post #182

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Transportation cyclist in Texas here. The need for showering is overstated, I think. Even with the summers here I only know one cyclist who would take a shower after cycling, and they only do so for their training, not their commute as far as I know. If you ride at a comfortable pace and are in good shape, I find that a quick 5 minutes in the bathroom to freshen up is plenty, if it's even necessary. I usually wipe sw…

By your description, your "5 minute freshen up" isn't included in your travel time...

Generally it's included, especially in travel time. Generally the bicycle wins if you live in a city, even with if you freshen up at home and at work.

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by verylittlemeat »

autokad wrote: post #354
verylittlemeat wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in my 30s / no license / live in nyc my whole life I would be surprised to learn someone over the age of 16 doesn't have their license in a new england suburb. In my limited experience public transit is terrible in smaller US cities. The truth is in NYC I don't even think about owning a car. In fact the opposite is true, sometimes I think to myself "wow, I'm so glad I can live my life and don't have to worry abou…

Edit: I retract what I said below taking verylittlemeat's comments into account. i dont know what the value of 'i live in nyc and i dont need a car' provides. everyone already knows most people in nyc doesnt need a car. the problem is getting people in the densely packed urban areas to understand not all people can (or wants to) live without a car. likewise europeans, we get it, a lot of you dont need a car. there is…

So then who exactly is the OP arguing against? Who here is arguing people living in suburbs with no public transit should give up their cars?

The OP argues not owning a car is a "virtuous shtick" and then: "You have no social life with no car" and "People here [hacker news] don't get how limited your life is without a car."

Such ridiculous claims deserve to be challenged since the OP seems to be speaking about car ownership in general, not just people living in suburbs.

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by autokad »

verylittlemeat wrote: post #358
autokad wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I retract what I said below taking verylittlemeat's comments into account. i dont know what the value of 'i live in nyc and i dont need a car' provides. everyone already knows most people in nyc doesnt need a car. the problem is getting people in the densely packed urban areas to understand not all people can (or wants to) live without a car. likewise europeans, we get it, a lot of you dont need a car. there is…

So then who exactly is the OP arguing against? Who here is arguing people living in suburbs with no public transit should give up their cars? The OP argues not owning a car is a "virtuous shtick" and then: "You have no social life with no car" and "People here [hacker news] don't get how limited your life is without a car." Such ridiculous claims deserve to be challenged since the OP seems to be speaking about car ow…

You are right, I retract what I said.

Re: How Automakers Invented the Crime of “Jaywalking”

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Post by dionidium »

Noos wrote: post #305

Can HN please stop it with this "not owning a car is virtuous" shtick? I went most of my younger life not having a car, only learning to drive at age 28. I lived in a new england suburb close enough to go to my work and shopping services at a ten minute walk at the time, and it still was horrid. People here don't get how limited your life is without a car. You are limited to a ten-fifteen mile radius for everything,…

>Not every town can simply cluster everything in one place

Of course they can. Why can't they? They have chosen not to. We can agree on that. But you think they can't? Why not? What do you think people did before cars?

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