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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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>You can disagree with some of the premises of that argument, but it's a valid one (philosophically speaking). Philosophically speaking, If I reject some of the premises, this would be a classic ex falso quodlibet, so - unless I subscribe to the use of paraconsistent logic - no, it would actually not be valid. I fully agree that everything should be done to make reporting crimes and presenting evidence as easy as pos…

You aren't working with a philosophical definition of valid then. http://www.iep.utm.edu/val-snd/ An argument can still be valid with false premises. The point of using this definition is to say that if person A disagrees with the premises and person B agrees with them, that is the source of your difference, not a lack of logic like the parent comment implied. My redefinition is not a simplification or hand waving -…

My mistake - of course, ex falso statements are still logically valid. They are just unsound and don't allow sensible further reasoning, i.e.: great that you agree with your premises, but these are the problem!

To the matter at hand: How on earth is it not handwaving/simplification when you are arguing with civil law standards for criminal cases?! Do you really not see the fundamental issue here? There's nothing to "examine further" - this has been examined to death and beyond!

And yes, I'm aware that the US criminal system is not the only system in question. But I dare you to show me one (from a democratic system, at least) that has a significantly lesser definition. (And please, don't argue with well known exceptions/reversals, those are all positioned after the general burden of proof has been met.)

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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post #319

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LOL a leader of YC once threatened to ruin my career and prevent me from ever being hired because of a comment I made on an article that was linked here. Now I know why.

Another case of the linkless martyr. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14694045 No "leader of YC" I know would value their time so miserably as to spend it that way (or be so dumb as to feed every troll forever).

Only peripherally related to op's accusation but didn't YC get accused of running a blacklist based on unproven accusations recently? Can you reassure me that this story was also without basis?

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> There have even been cases in which the accuser later admits "admits" can be a loaded word. The accuser claims. Hopefully, their accusation was not the only evidence in the first place.

In France the state's prosecutor is the accusation, and cites the victim as a witness. That allows pursuing the trial if the victim is pressured to remove the complaint.

The same is true in the USA, the district attorney can and often does prosecute crimes on behalf of the state without any victim "pressing charges".

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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This world is getting so fucked up. We can't crucify people for "hitting on" or other somewhat tame behavior because we have nothing left to throw at the real offenders. Conversely, people benefit on both sides of the equation; using sex to their advantage or weaponizing allegations like this. Sexual assualt is REAL and should be punished. We need to focus on a balance between being human and being a predator. People…

500 startups have several accusers come forward against at least 2 of its leaders[1][2][3][4]. Nobody can necessarily know the full extent of what happened without having been there when each incident occurred but there has been enough information released to see patterns and the accused aren’t exactly denying the events. Given how hard it is historically for female founders to get funding even under the best of circumstances, it’s much harder during this particular period, with the negative attention and some men even considering avoiding hiring/investing/being alone in a room with a woman[5]. I definitely can’t see any “accuser ride the publicity to raise a round”. Also, in the case cited by the parent post is of a man anonymously pretending to be a woman and posting false accusations against an investor, which has nothing to do with recent accusations by non-anonymous sources.

[1] https://www.axios.com/500-startups-partner-elizabeth-yin-res...

[2] https://cherylyeoh.com/2017/07/03/shedding-light-on-the-blac...

[3] https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/20/the-long-term-cost-of-sexu...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entrepre...

[5] https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/23/dear-tech-dudes-stop-being...

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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This world is getting so fucked up. We can't crucify people for "hitting on" or other somewhat tame behavior because we have nothing left to throw at the real offenders. Conversely, people benefit on both sides of the equation; using sex to their advantage or weaponizing allegations like this. Sexual assualt is REAL and should be punished. We need to focus on a balance between being human and being a predator. People…

I have been watching this issue for many years online. I have done my best not to comment on it. But what you've said rings true: there's something really wrong here, and it has to do with the internet. I've come to the conclusion -- and I may certainly be wrong -- that good policy and good laws depend on a logical and unemotional view of things. As a human being, you can and should acknowledge and feel for people in…

You should read 'Against Empathy' by Paul Bloom. It talks all about this issue.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Do you believe that the harm of being raped is about equal to the harm of a false conviction for rape? I'd actually tend to "yes", but it's probably impossible to answer. People react very different, and the prevalence of suicide is actually higher among rape victims than for people sentenced to long prison sentences. But the real problem is: The penalty in your comparison would be for rape, whereas the accusation wa…

I'd rather be raped than spend years in prison. Time is more precious than momentary pain/shame. Plus I hear rapists (real or falsely accused) are treated extra badly in prisons.

It shouldn’t take a great deal of imagination or empathy to realise that the pain, shame and the psychological consequences of rape can last a very long time. Self-worth, esteem, confidence, and trust in others can be destroyed resulting in depression, anxiety disorders and other debilitating conditions such as social withdrawal. Depending on the trauma of the experience and the resilience of the individual, it can take years to rebuild their life.

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Downvotes?

Why not? Without links this post is useless to everybody besides people who know about this case. Both of them. So let's count: the OP is one and I'm another. It follows that nobody else knows ;)

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_rape_contr...

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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I'd rather be raped than spend years in prison. Time is more precious than momentary pain/shame. Plus I hear rapists (real or falsely accused) are treated extra badly in prisons.

It shouldn’t take a great deal of imagination or empathy to realise that the pain, shame and the psychological consequences of rape can last a very long time. Self-worth, esteem, confidence, and trust in others can be destroyed resulting in depression, anxiety disorders and other debilitating conditions such as social withdrawal. Depending on the trauma of the experience and the resilience of the individual, it can t…

I agree. But I think all of the issues you listed would be much worse by being in prison for a few years, especially as a rapist (real or falsely accused).

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post #297

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Much of the laws that shaped the country are from Protestant view point. Over the years violence and profanity have been accepted. Did you ever see what happened in the late 90/00s with profane music? It was supposedly corrupting our youth and congress had hearing discussing Eminem lyrics. How hilarious. Nudity is still rare but not really like it was 20 years ago. Religious nuts will protest "think of the children"…

> Did you ever see what happened in the late 90/00s with profane music? Goes back further than that; I'm pretty sure in 80s it was likely Madonna or something - I also know there was a frenzy around 2 Live Crew in the late 1980s/early 90s. But I'd be willing to bet that there was also talk about Elvis in congress back in the day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxB-ZePpS7E
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