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“We will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020”

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Post by oblib »

omg_ketchup wrote: post #290
tambourine_man wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The only people who care about the life of this product are those who invested in buying and learning how to use it. And the ones that have content currently deployed on the platform. A few of my clients still have sites in Flash that I wrote for them in the early 2000s. Every year I try to convince them that they need to switch, but they can't justify the cost.

Nobody "learned" Flash. You opened it up and you already knew what to do. That's the real value it provided.

That's a pretty big leap to make.

Re: “We will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020”

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

ekianjo wrote: post #31
yoodenvranx wrote: post #14

Is there any attempt to save all the classic Flash animations and games like they did with old arcade games? Any "emulators" which can be used to preserve them?

there is gnash on Linux.

I've used it in the past. It works, sometimes. I wonder if it is still actively developed?

Re: “We will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020”

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Post by cpncrunch »

cpncrunch wrote: post #245
vecinu wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Connect is not going to die, is my understanding.

Two options seem to be: - go to a downloadable .exe - move to HTML5 They appear to be moving towards the .exe path at the moment, which seems like a bad idea.

Update here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/adobeconnect/2017/07/adobe-connect-on...

Re: “We will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020”

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Post by ivm »

lynxaegon wrote: post #305
amitt wrote: post #107

End of an era. We built the FarmVille-engine using AS3 and I still think it's one of the best programming languages I've ever used. Static typing, access modifiers, and performant. Low friction for new users (most people had the plugin, we could stream the main binary and assets) 0% chance we could have built the game using any other client-side tech stack available at the time.

Yes back than even AS2 was good. But now you have a lot of great tools available for HTML5 and Unity. You can build anything you would have in Flash. I wouldn't say AS3 is the best programming language, but that's just my point of view. I, for one, don't have a favorite language because i think that each language has it's pros and cons and each language excels in a certain area.

HTML5 toolset is too fragmented and developer-oriented. Unity is humongous and WebGL builds are too big. There's no replacement for Flash.

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Post by michaelmior »

seanalltogether wrote: post #8

> will be phased out by the end of 2020. At that point, Adobe will stop updating and distributing Flash. Adobes stance on backwards compatibility in Flash has always been "Don't break the web". Where does this leave all the existing flash content that still exists around the web after 2020? As far as I know, those JS emulators are way to slow for most content.

I don't know anything about the state of JS emulators, but I'd imagine three years of hardware and software advancements will go a long way to making this feasible.

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Post by codedokode »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #326
codedokode wrote: post #235

Without Flash live streams on Youtube cannot be played in Firefox 45 on Windows XP. So Flash is still useful. And by the way videos in Twitter and Vimeo don't work in both Chromium and Firefox on Windows XP. Because HTML5 video cross-platform compatibility is not perfect and developers have chosen not to encode videos in formats supported on this platform.

Anyone who still uses XP doesn't deserve to have compatibility. The time to move on was years ago.

XP is still more popular than many Linux distributions. Should Youtube stop supporting them too?

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Post by [deleted] »

make3 wrote: post #116
sashk wrote: post #100

Flash will die 10 years after this -- https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

I hadn't read this. The security and battery life arguments are the best imho. The last part about the apps make Apple look like they only want to protect their financial interests in a sort of sketchy monopolistic way.

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Post by eridius »

Joeri wrote: post #266
make3 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't read this. The security and battery life arguments are the best imho. The last part about the apps make Apple look like they only want to protect their financial interests in a sort of sketchy monopolistic way.

The security argument was convincing. The battery argument was weak and I'm sure Jobs knew. Video was a significant chunk of flash's use case, but not the only part, and flash was much more battery efficient than HTML5 at all the other stuff it did. Even today you can't do buttery smooth flash-style animations in javascript without some major hacks (like using webgl). Even simple effects like full-screen fade-in that…

The battery argument was not weak. It was actually one of the strongest arguments. Flash was a battery hog. Disabling flash on a laptop could double your battery life.

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Post by oblib »

oblib wrote: post #181

The only people who care about the life of this product are those who invested in buying and learning how to use it. I can understand why they care, but I don't. I decided not to invest in it back when Macromedia bought it because I knew it would be expensive and subjected me to their whims. I thought "Futuresplash" was great and had high hopes for it but I'd already been burned by Adobe's planned obsolescence and I…

It's funny I got down voted for that comment. I'm not sure why they'd take offense with my opinions above. I didn't say they were wrong, I just whined and complained about why I didn't use it.

And whining and complaining can have merit. For example, you can whine and complain to your landlord about your A/C not working and they may not want to hear it, or pay to fix it, but it won't get fixed until you do.

If you ask me, I'll tell you this has been fixed.

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Post by eridius »

yellowapple wrote: post #126
make3 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't read this. The security and battery life arguments are the best imho. The last part about the apps make Apple look like they only want to protect their financial interests in a sort of sketchy monopolistic way.

Yeah, that last justification is one with which I wholeheartedly disagree. Cross-platform done right is a good thing, and yet here we have Apple explicitly describing how it wants app developers to not use cross-platform technologies and instead rely on Apple-specific interfaces. In other words: "screw developer productivity, if you're not exclusively targeting our platforms, you're doing it wrong".

Cross-platform done right is a unicorn that doesn't exist.
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