I honestly wish Microsoft would have have just loaded their surface with USB c ports. I guess there is always next gen :/
New Surface Pro
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Re: New Surface Pro
#352One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…
> - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. Not true. That is only for the iPhone. The Macbook has only national warranty.
I had a 2012 Macbook Air from Europe and it had some issues. I had no problems getting it fixed in the US. Not sure if it was because I had Apple Care.
Re: New Surface Pro
#353Intentionally omitting a USB-C port kind of reveals how petty microsoft is being. Deciding to omit backtracks from a nice universal standard presumably to intentionally hinder Apple who put all there chips in it. Now accessory manufacturers (thumb drives, displays, etc) are forced to support older ports now longer, potentially forever, until MS adopts. Lest we forget, the dream that was USB-C was that we wouldn’t nee…
Most people will have replaced their new Surface Pro long before they actually need a USB Type-C port. Apple chooses to act against it's own customers' interests by rushing to new ports and requiring they buy all new hardware. This will be the third generation of Surface Pro that does not require any new accessories. If I end up buying the new one (which I might for the built-in LTE), I won't have to buy a new type c…
Heck man, I didn’t say take away anything, just add USB-C. Perhaps take away a USB 3 port for it or something.
They’re now making a stink about “People who love USB-C love dongles. so we have a dongle for you” so it seems like they’re going after the standard intentionally for short term gains.
Re: New Surface Pro
#354One trend I am noticing is that I keep sensing a clear difference between, say, a standard iPad vs. a Surface. A standard iPad feels like a tablet appliance, whereas a Surface is a full-bore laptop in tablet form. Mentally, whenever I hold a Surface, I don't find myself thinking of the kind of experience I expect from the iPad. I realize now there is the iPad Pro, which has more horsepower/keyboard/pen etc., but it s…
I had really bad experience with Surface Pro 3 (lots of hardware and software issues), but I have to say this: Microsoft is trying to do the right thing here. There is no reason tablets should be dumb-down media consumption devices when they have computing power equivalent to desktop PCs of a few years ago. But to be used as real computers they must have keyboard and stylus by default and must allow to install arbitrary apps without jailbreaking and hoops.
The biggest thing that's dragging Surface down is its UI. Neither classic Windows apps, nor Metro apps are very pleasant to use on the given hardware.
I wonder what Alan Kay thinks of Surfaces compared to iPads.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thats a matter of definition. Surface Pro originally was to distinguish against the Surface RT, where it made sense. Same goes for iPad Pro which is clearly not meant in the same way you are suggesting, Macbook Pro is the same. The PRO label is meant to distinguish them against their own lower tier products. Imo the demand for 32GB RAM Laptops is pretty limited right now, which is why you usually find that in worksta…
Maybe it's limited because companies are only putting it in workstation class laptops instead of giving consumers a choice.
bingo.
the demand for 32g in a laptop was greater than the demand for a touchbar, I can tell you that.
Re: New Surface Pro
#356Intentionally omitting a USB-C port kind of reveals how petty microsoft is being. Deciding to omit backtracks from a nice universal standard presumably to intentionally hinder Apple who put all there chips in it. Now accessory manufacturers (thumb drives, displays, etc) are forced to support older ports now longer, potentially forever, until MS adopts. Lest we forget, the dream that was USB-C was that we wouldn’t nee…
Although it's odd, I suspect it's more a reaction to USB-C blowback than a conscious decision to harm Apple. These days, Microsoft is not generally one for going out of their way to put the pain on Apple.
Besides, Microsoft's products occupy only a portion of the PC hardware market, and several vendors have USB-C products out now. If it slows adoption of USB-C products, I think the effect will be fairly negligible.
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
But that is probably not the usecase most people who will buy a Surface Pro for. It's a very portable device and 32GB would consume more power and probably be only bought by a very small amount of users.
I think that the users who DO have that usecase (like the OP) are clamoring for a machine that is more portable. The same debate raged when the MBP was released; people want a powerful, sleek and portable workhorse that they can use for longer than 2 hours, and no one is delivering right now.
Maybe because its not easy todo with current technology ? Size, heat and power consumption all have to be balanced carefully, so you can not just stuff an i7 quad core with 32GB RAM in a tiny package and expect it to be great. Compromises have to be made. I think it's incredible what kind of processing power we can have in small packages today and it will of course move forward, but for some people it's never quick enough i guess.
Re: New Surface Pro
#358Intentionally omitting a USB-C port kind of reveals how petty microsoft is being. Deciding to omit backtracks from a nice universal standard presumably to intentionally hinder Apple who put all there chips in it. Now accessory manufacturers (thumb drives, displays, etc) are forced to support older ports now longer, potentially forever, until MS adopts. Lest we forget, the dream that was USB-C was that we wouldn’t nee…
Most people will have replaced their new Surface Pro long before they actually need a USB Type-C port. Apple chooses to act against it's own customers' interests by rushing to new ports and requiring they buy all new hardware. This will be the third generation of Surface Pro that does not require any new accessories. If I end up buying the new one (which I might for the built-in LTE), I won't have to buy a new type c…
My phone (Nexus 6p) uses USB-C and my GF's laptop uses USB-C (Macbook). I really don't see the problem with using USB-C in mid-2017. There are plenty of products out these days which use it.
The key difference is that these products all purchased early last were all in the early adopter or luxury category.
Surface Pro in mid-2017 should very obviously use USB-C. It fits in both luxury/pro categories. But even beyond that I could see the incentive to use it regardless, just based on it being the future interface for all devices.
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#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people will have replaced their new Surface Pro long before they actually need a USB Type-C port. Apple chooses to act against it's own customers' interests by rushing to new ports and requiring they buy all new hardware. This will be the third generation of Surface Pro that does not require any new accessories. If I end up buying the new one (which I might for the built-in LTE), I won't have to buy a new type c…
Heck man, I didn’t say take away anything, just add USB-C. Perhaps take away a USB 3 port for it or something. They’re now making a stink about “People who love USB-C love dongles. so we have a dongle for you” so it seems like they’re going after the standard intentionally for short term gains.
...It only has one USB 3 port. The one everyone uses.
The dongle method makes sense. People using USB-C right now, are indeed pretty used to dongles. And by offering a SurfaceConnect to USB-C dongle, they'll let you use your USB-C charger... while still having the full benefits of a magnetic charging port that won't yank your tablet off the desk if someone trips over the cable.
Re: New Surface Pro
#360Intentionally omitting a USB-C port kind of reveals how petty microsoft is being. Deciding to omit backtracks from a nice universal standard presumably to intentionally hinder Apple who put all there chips in it. Now accessory manufacturers (thumb drives, displays, etc) are forced to support older ports now longer, potentially forever, until MS adopts. Lest we forget, the dream that was USB-C was that we wouldn’t nee…
Most people will have replaced their new Surface Pro long before they actually need a USB Type-C port. Apple chooses to act against it's own customers' interests by rushing to new ports and requiring they buy all new hardware. This will be the third generation of Surface Pro that does not require any new accessories. If I end up buying the new one (which I might for the built-in LTE), I won't have to buy a new type c…
> Apple chooses to act against it's own customers' interests by rushing to new ports and requiring they buy all new hardware.
I just moved to a 2016 MacBook Pro and the only "all new hardware" I've purchased is a pair of $10 adapters. I haven't replaced any of the hardware I already own, because I don't need to.
I can only really criticize Apple for not including an adapter or two, and for not including more than two USB-C ports on the base 13" MBP. The latter's really pretty regrettable.