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Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars

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Post by ysavir »

burkaman wrote: post #322
ysavir wrote: post #241

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Well that's.... Sad. I think I will take what little authority I (don't) have and veto that definition, seeing as it literally defeats the purpose of definition #1. And I was invoking definition #1 there, in case that wasn't clear.

"Sad" used to mean "sated". Why are you spreading the incorrect usage perpetuated by fools in the 1690s? These days nobody understands me when I use the true definition. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...

It's one thing when a word evolves. It's another thing entirely when the evolution is the opposite of the original meaning. So let's not get condescending when it's more than a simple shift in meaning, okay?

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Post by burkaman »

ysavir wrote: post #351
burkaman wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sad" used to mean "sated". Why are you spreading the incorrect usage perpetuated by fools in the 1690s? These days nobody understands me when I use the true definition. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...

It's one thing when a word evolves. It's another thing entirely when the evolution is the opposite of the original meaning. So let's not get condescending when it's more than a simple shift in meaning, okay?

I guess it's a little different but it happens all the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym#Examples

Also, "sad" and "sated" aren't quite opposites but they're very different. Are you telling me you wouldn't be annoyed if people started talking about how sad they were at the end of a great meal?

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Post by virgilp »

agildehaus wrote: post #335
sova wrote: post #307

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Elon maintains that with just cameras you can achieve super-human (10x) performance with self-driving cars. Fact I nabbed when he spoke about Boring at TED. https://www.ted.com/talks/elon_musk_the_future_we_re_buildin...

I wouldn't ever bet against Musk, but Musk says a lot of things. Yes we should be able to make self driving cars with just cameras because, after all, we do it with just two eyes. But in what world is computer vision perfect? Tesla's Autopilot already has a fatality on its record because it couldn't differentiate the color of the sky with the color of a truck. LIDAR solves a lot of problems.

There's another aspect of it though. As soon as Waymo makes self-driving cars more popular, and there are less humans on the road - you just need inferior technology to be able to operate. Bootstrapping this is the hardest - after self-driving cars are a thing, normally we'll see accelerated move towards fully automated driving.

In the extreme case, if Waymo cars are 80%, Tesla cars can easily be 20% just based on the fact that Waymo cars will avoid most accidents made by Tesla software errors

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Post by omarforgotpwd »

grkhetan wrote: post #209
mattnewton wrote: post #59

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Personally, there are nicer touches in the Lyft app- the colored signs, color-accurate picture of the make and model of the car, and generally friendlier driver instructions make getting into the car and riding more pleasant for me.

I have tried to use Lyft, but the Uber's app design is much more user-friendly to me. I was confused by some of Lyft's ride selection options etc. Esp after the Uber redesign that happened a few months ago, it became much more easier and nicer to use.

The user interface and selection of ride products are basically identical where I live (SF Bay Area)

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

notatoad wrote: post #153
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #28

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> It'd be a factor, but not a major one. I disagree. I think it's going to be everything. Not because people are cheap but they're going to be eliminated in this space regardless (so it's not even an argument). A car manufacturer is going to have lower costs to making and maintaining a car than any non car manufacturer. Every ride sharing service will eventually become driverless so car manufacturers will be able to…

You're assuming that transit is a business that car manufacturers want to be involved in, which would be a big shift. They've got a nice secure position right now, regardless of which ride-sharing app is trending. Why would they want to shift from their high-margin B2B sales market to a low-margin consumer service market?

> Why would they want to shift from their high-margin B2B sales market to a low-margin consumer service market?

I'm not convinced that market is going to exist forever. If self driving cars do take off then you're going to see more people owning less cars. Cars will get consolidated to large companies and they won't have a need for as many.

GM has talked with Lyft a number of times and most car manufacturers seem to be working on self driving systems. I think it's a move they'll have to make over the next decade or so.

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Post by paulddraper »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #330
paulddraper wrote: post #66

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Sure, but they could sell 1% of their company (loans, equity) and have one percent of a gazillion dollars.

Only if someone is actually willing to buy part of the company. The last person valuing it at a gazillion dollars doesn't mean that the next person will value it at a gazillion dollars.

Right. The point being, the first person was wrong.

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

edshiro wrote: post #142
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #52

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Tesla has working, autonomous software running on vehicles in the real world gathering real data that can be used to improve. They're also a car manufacturer. They didn't "just recently figure out factories are more difficult than cars" but even if they did the market is so immature for self driving that they would have several years to build up manufacturing capabilities. It wouldn't matter.

Not true. Tesla has working advanced driver-assistance systems (ADAS) in the form of their "Autopilot" feature. This is as Level 2 (out of 5) on the autonomy scale. They are still very very far from Level 5. Much more so than Google. Furthermore, they were getting their software from MobilEye, an Israel-based startup but cut ties with them last year and are developing their own Autopilot 2 program, which so far has n…

> Not true

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Autonomous, by definition, covers their autopilot feature as well as level 4 autonomy. I never said they have level 4 or 5 autonomy...

> Furthermore, they were getting their software from MobilEye, an Israel-based startup but cut ties with them last year and are developing their own Autopilot 2 program, which so far has not reached parity with MobilEye's Autopilot 1.

I'm not sure it's useful to compare anything Tesla does with MobilEye's capability. Now I don't know if they've transitioned off of it yet or not but during their corporate spat after that fatal crash last year [1] Tesla said they used additional software and hardware to augment MobilEye's capabilities.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-autopilot-fatal-crash-m...

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #143
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #135

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I'm assuming you mean the first ones without human chaperones? Because I've seen plenty of self-driving Uber cars shuttling passengers around the streets of SF over the past year.

I thought Uber stopped that program after the red light thing? I assume they mean the same though because Google have had self driving cars in Mountain View for years - this article claims 2 million miles last October : https://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-self-driving-car-progra... I'm not sure how that stacks against competitors but I imagine they're a long way ahead.

They did, but they've resumed again recently.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

bigbugbag wrote: post #211
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #53

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Actually, it's on a smaller scale but I was thinking a "Digg - Reddit" analogy was more appropriate. Reddit was much smaller than Digg for years: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2005-06-01%202... . Reddit was definitely "the little engine that could" for about 6 years, but it was really in 2010 when Digg imploded with the self-inflicted wounds of Digg v4 when Reddit really took off. In other words, MySp…

I remember differently, the release of digg v4 was the last nail in the digg coffing and the tipping point happened about a year before that with the famous ncomment 'Digg vs Reddit' webcomics. When this got to digg front page, well, let's say it was right on point. Sorry, I know flickr sucks but it seems ncomment original website is now gone, the comics survived on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/25036088@N06/…

You maybe could argue the shift started earlier, but the floodgates really opened on Digg v4. I was one of the "Digg refugees" who joined reddit at that time, and there were hoards of others that did the same.

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Post by drcross »

nolok wrote: post #217
drcross wrote: post #155

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Not if it's only greyscale camera data and some point cloud data which is heavily compressible.

But then you're back to square one : that data is much less detailed than what waymo gets.

Machine vision is usually an exercise in data reduction. Greyscale is typically used in most computer vision applications, so it may be the case that Waymo has more information but that is not necessarily of any benefit.
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