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Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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I think you're making a great point - coffee is the legal drug at the moment. Personally, I drink coffee for the flavor, not for the caffeine. I'm a big fan of high-quality decaf coffee and it's something we're looking to do with Sudden.

Coffee is no more a drug than sugar.

...yet there's a lot of research showing that sugar IS helluva drug.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/ https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/05/is-sugar-wor...

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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I think you're making a great point - coffee is the legal drug at the moment. Personally, I drink coffee for the flavor, not for the caffeine. I'm a big fan of high-quality decaf coffee and it's something we're looking to do with Sudden.

I'd dig good instant decaf. I don't want any caffeine but coffee can be delicious. Give me a shot at coffee snobbery!

Totally agree with you! Email me if you're interested in staying in loop with our decaf version

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Have you measured acrylamide levels?

We haven't measured them but they should be equal to any high-quality specialty coffee. I know that regular instant coffees have considerably higher levels of acrylamides that are caused by poor quality coffee and processing at extremely high temperatures.

Yes and it might turn out to be a useful marketing angel for you. Thanks for the reply.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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I'm not trying to be an asshole, but do you really see this company taking off? You're battling the known perception of instant coffee being awful and trying to sell a super premium product within a group that's tailored to buy cheap coffee because they just don't care. That's just a brutal uphill battle from a consumer education standpoint and a price comparison standpoint. I get that you're not trying to compare yo…

When I was starting to work on Sudden I knew that the biggest challenge would be around the perception of instant coffee. It's a lot of work but we have a pretty solid plan and traction right now!

I think your biggest challenge is going to be to convince people to pay such a premium to save the 10 minutes they would need to make a coffee (of more or less equivalent quality) with a French press. I'm a coffee lover but I am not a coffee snob, so I don't dismiss your product based on it being instant coffee, but £60 a month is enough to cover a new French press every month plus the best beans that my local coffee shop sells and still have enough money left to go to the local café every now and then when too lazy to go out. And that's only if you don't like Nespresso-type coffee, in which case after an initial investment of 50-ish pounds for the basic machine, £60 a month is enough to buy me 150+ cups of coffee a month.

And this is just the price for 32 cups of coffee a month, which is at most 1/5 of my normal consumption.

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The decrease in air pressure and humidity also have big effects on your sensation of food(smell and taste) http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150112-why-in-flight-food-... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9408563

Apparently the companies making coffee for planes have (de)pressure chambers to conduct tastings.

If that is true, they they are running incredible margins to afford that. A human sized negative pressure chamber is not any easy thing to obtain or maintain, even to airplane climates specs. Most likely, they rent out time on someone else's chamber or just take a chartered flight and test on the plane.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Define 'tastes good/bad'

So first off, taste is a subjective thing, but generally things that we classify as tasting good internally: - smooth/ juicy taste - naturally sweet without sugar - has a good fragrance Things that taste bad in coffee might be: - dries out your mouth - watery/ tasteless - really bitter - tastes like wood - smokey/ burnt FYI, it's hard to pick up on these taste characteristics if you drink coffee with cream and sugar,…

Yes, 'taste' is incredibly complicated and there are many elements to it, from texture, to smell, to temperature, to emotional state, to blood pressure, etc. We are still discovering what tastes humans actually possess and where they possess them in their bodies. What you are classifying as 'taste' is many things other than the definition of taste; you include smell and texture in the lists above. Especially on the bitter part, human sensation of bitter is highly variable from person to person. What you may consider bitter may not be able to be sensed by your customers and what you cannot sense may be tasted by your customers, hence why many confectioners tend towards a similar mean taste profile (pepsi/coke). You mention that things may 'taste like wood', this is a cultural association that you may want to be aware of. Try getting other people from other cultures/environments to drink your stuff and see if they also report these sensations. As far as 'drying out your mouth', this is again highly variable depending on hydration, humidity, personal preference, etc. For example, a friend of mine loves seltzer water for 'the burn', while I hate it for the exact same reason. I also drink my coffee black these days, but I will change my taste from time to time. Mostly I am just addicted to caffeine and coffee is the cheapest way to get the fix.

For more information on the sensation of taste and all it's myriad complexities, you may want to check out these resources:

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/dep... Sue is a world expert on taste, along with Tom Finger, and her work is excellent in every way.

https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Neural-Science-Fifth-Kande... The bible of neural sciences, though thick and dense, the sections on gustation and olfaction may prove useful to your endeavors.

Edit: Here are some other resources on how to modify your taste sensation to better understand how your taste buds work:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Taste_modifiers

There is also a supplement that you can take that will elliminate your sensation of sweet for a few hours, but I forget the name

Lastly, to understand umami, try getting a few bags of chips of similar salt content and hold your nose the entire time. One of just regular Lays potato chips, one of something like Doritos, and one of those baked Parmesan cheese ships from whole foods. While eating them with your nose held close, try to recognize the changes in the umami taste.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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The wife and I are coffee nuts. To some extent, anyway. We also like to go "camping" in an RV. I used to do french press, but the ground beans would get old too quickly and I don't have much interest in a grinder inside a tiny space. So we're using plain-old instant coffee. It's better than nothing, but that's about it.

I've been thinking about cold brewed coffee, but that's a completely different taste. Not bad, but very different and not really what we're looking for.

All that said... I'd love some "not horrible" instant coffee for this situation. Also to keep in my desk drawer for when we run out of k-cups. Or even to replace them if it's good enough.

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When I was starting to work on Sudden I knew that the biggest challenge would be around the perception of instant coffee. It's a lot of work but we have a pretty solid plan and traction right now!

I think your biggest challenge is going to be to convince people to pay such a premium to save the 10 minutes they would need to make a coffee (of more or less equivalent quality) with a French press. I'm a coffee lover but I am not a coffee snob, so I don't dismiss your product based on it being instant coffee, but £60 a month is enough to cover a new French press every month plus the best beans that my local coffee…

I wouldn't necessarily view it as something that replaces your French press or every coffee in your life. I'll bet that the majority of the time you make coffee at home, but a few times a week you spend $3-4 on coffee at a nice cafe.

Sudden is the same thing. Continue making coffee at home, but 2-3 times a week if you want something that tastes different or that's easier - go for Sudden. At that rate, spending $5-7 a week is much closer to treating yourself at a cafe.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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The wife and I are coffee nuts. To some extent, anyway. We also like to go "camping" in an RV. I used to do french press, but the ground beans would get old too quickly and I don't have much interest in a grinder inside a tiny space. So we're using plain-old instant coffee. It's better than nothing, but that's about it. I've been thinking about cold brewed coffee, but that's a completely different taste. Not bad, but…

There seems to have been (in the U.K. at least) a recent drive towards 'wholebean instant'.

This mixes your traditional freeze dried instant coffee with some very finely ground beans, which does make for a much better cup of instant.

Give it a try if you come across it, it may fit that niche.

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