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A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by wheelerwj »

vondur wrote: post #127
pjc50 wrote: post #25

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> So how do you protect yourself? Individually? It's extremely difficult other than "try not to appear suspicious" and bring a dumbphone when crossing borders. The real protection is collective. Stopping the current administration is only the beginning; the Democrats are merely "not as bad" on this kind of issue. Broader anti-racism and anti-racist-media action is needed, because otherwise this kind of arbitary bruta…

The current administration? This has been going on for years under the Obama administration.

exactly, and before him too. the real enemy is the patriot act.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by Spooky23 »

ojbyrne wrote: post #300
smsm42 wrote: post #218

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Within the states of US you can do the same ;) EU essentially wants to be United States of Europe. Though I'm not sure all EU states yet ready to surrender as much national sovereignty as US states did. And what anything of this has to do with homophobia?

Your first sentence is not entirely true: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-governments-100-mile-b...

Please elaborate.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by wheelerwj »

sneak wrote: post #331
jsmeaton wrote: post #83

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Let me start by saying I don't begrudge your info hygiene habits at all, this isn't an attack against you. But I've seen a few suggestions lately on building tools to circumvent these awful policies. What we need to be doing is vehemently protesting these policies and rejecting them completely. If we start building tools to deny information when someone Has physical access to your unlocked device then we normalize th…

If protesting these things worked, we'd never have border searches in the first place. Nobody wants to be searched. Ultimately most people just simply do not place any value on their privacy.

thats not true, people simply don't understand how their privacy has been used against them. everyone still thinks this is about ads, but its much worse.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by wheelerwj »

ephemeral9235 wrote: post #78
aaron-lebo wrote: post #66

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You're right of course. I guess I'm wondering if border guards at any point in the future will have quick access to a database, presumably with information from a company that has either voluntarily or been forced to provide data. Sir, we just ran your social networking accounts and according to our data you have another Facebook account that you did not provide access to...

Such a database would indicate two things a) law enforcement has access to such a database without warrants b) facebook provides such a database without warrants. To me those would be reasons to leave the country and facebook.

where have you been?

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by Spooky23 »

Razengan wrote: post #242
skriticos2 wrote: post #207

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Within Europe (ps: as a European citizen) you can go anywhere with a personal identification card (no passport) and there are no border controls (when walking or driving). There isn't even a border, just a sign: welcome to $country (ps: and maybe local driving instructions). Say what you will about the EU, but this has been a great achievement. I can go through airport security between two EU countries and security w…

Wasn't this how the world worked up until a century ago? Anyone could walk or sail into any country, anywhere in the world, without a passport. Apparently the World Wars changed that.

Yes and no.

Customs duties were a bigger source of revenue. Ships didn't just travel freely.

People were less of a problem, as most people didn't stray more than a few miles from where they were born.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by wheelerwj »

anigbrowl wrote: post #273
civilian wrote: post #80

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We've been searching phones at the US border long before Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/30... You are right to be outraged, but you are wrong to be fearful of Trump. You need to be fearful and angry at the government, regardless of who's the President.

This 'there is no difference between the parties' thing is getting really old, the differences are clear. Yes a surveillance state had also flourished under the Democratic administrations and that's a Bad Thing, I'm with you on the general need to roll that back. But don't come here telling me administrations are basically the same. And much of the surveillance state exists because of the politicians that pander to t…

all obama had to do was not renew bush's executive orders. thats it. he just had to do NOTHING. so yes, as far as privacy is concerned, both parties are equally shit.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by wheelerwj »

ptero wrote: post #67
RealGeek wrote: post #50

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How about if we reset and delete everything from the phone before crossing any international borders?

That's how some employers (mine included) already handle work-owned electronic devices: going overseas -- either leave yours behind or pick up a loaner that will be fully wiped on arrival.

people used to look at me like i was crazy because id always wipe my laptop and devices before crossing the border. but its the only way now.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by wheelerwj »

suprgeek wrote: post #22

The crux of the matter is here: More importantly, travelers are not legally required to unlock their devices, although agents can detain them for significant periods of time if they do not.... and here: The document given to Bikkannavar listed a series of consequences for failure to offer information that would allow CBP to copy the contents of the device. “I didn’t really want to explore all those consequences,” he…

first a citizen has to be well enough connected to even get that kind of help.

second, you need to let your connections know you need the help.

third, your still going to take a severe financial and emotional beating.

so sure, its not okay that this is happening. but not everyone is in a position to standup.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by Spooky23 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #273
civilian wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been searching phones at the US border long before Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/30... You are right to be outraged, but you are wrong to be fearful of Trump. You need to be fearful and angry at the government, regardless of who's the President.

This 'there is no difference between the parties' thing is getting really old, the differences are clear. Yes a surveillance state had also flourished under the Democratic administrations and that's a Bad Thing, I'm with you on the general need to roll that back. But don't come here telling me administrations are basically the same. And much of the surveillance state exists because of the politicians that pander to t…

...or perhaps the nation faces threats that are thrawrted by these measures that you speak of.

Obama managed to push affordable care act through despite republican howls. Perhaps there are other reasons for his change of heart on other topics.

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