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It's worth noting that it all started on APRIL FOOL'S DAY (2015). That was the convenient day the author of the project decided to say in the comments for a random Github commit "hey, anybody wants to take this over? I'm out", without any previous discussion or announcement. Users assumed it was a joke but it was for real. Literally the first person to reply took over the entire project, and when the developer who wa…
The uBlock Origin name just adds to the confusion. The original developer (gorhill) should create a totally new project name. Word would spread that uBlock was the old thing and no longer maintained and that gorhill's new project was the future. Even using a name like "uBlock Next Generation", which is less ambiguous than "uBlock Origin" and suggests "this is the new project", would still cause confusion. People unfa…
Adblock Plus now sells ads
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Re: Adblock Plus now sells ads
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> Contrary to what people on HN believe, advertising is not inherently evil. Most people are perfectly fine with ads so long as they're not invasive. I would guess most people have this idea (in most cases illusion) that advertisers are not able to manipulate them. I do not have that illusion, and I do not like people that are manipulating me for their own benefit. I do not know if they are evil, but I think it is fa…
> I would guess most people have this idea (in most cases illusion) that advertisers are not able to manipulate them. I certainly don't pretend that advertising has no impact on me. I also don't think I'm a mindless drone who does whatever advertisers say. Advertising is not zero sum. It can be effective and good for the consumer. For example, I have Charles Schwab account because I once saw it in a magazine ad, did…
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> it would be cool if uBlock reported when a call from another extension has been blocked That is the purpose of the built-in logger[1]. By default uBO is not setup to block other extensions' network requests, or those made by the browser itself, one has to configure it explicitly for this to happen[2]. 1. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/The-logger 2. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Behind-the-scene-net…
Hm OK, must be something else then. Either way, uMatrix blows Ghostery away so this has been fortuitous.
Re: Adblock Plus now sells ads
#354I hate ads, absolutely hate them. I hate them on TV. I hate them on billboards. I hate them on the net. If I want something, I decide I want it. I research it, and I make my choices based on multiple sources. Dancing clowns and phony sales do nothing but waste my time and annoy me. Having said that, we need some way forward, even if it's nothing but a small step. I propose that all advertisers voluntarily place ads (…
How do ads hijack your browser and track you against your will? If you don't want tracking, don't visit the website. Ads don't force you look at things. You're looking at it.
Re: Adblock Plus now sells ads
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This is a conflict of values between users and the devs. - Users want ads to just go away, period, the end. - The devs want ads to be nice . So they swat down the nasty ones and permit the nice ones. Ransomware was probably the wrong way to do that, but I can see why it was superficially appealing. "We check your ads for niceness, and then permit them. We won't give our effort away for free", being the idea behind it…
I don't want ads to go away. I want ads that are relevant, or at least aren't insultingly stupid. The utter shit people run on major sites these days is so patently offensive ("Single Mom's Weight Loss Trick!", "Get Government Money Tomorrow!") that I keep a blocker on for my own sanity. I'm consistently appalled at the extremely low quality advertising that supposedly reputable properties put on their sites. Give me…
I see few to none on Firefox, but even with a firewall hosts blocklist, Chrome/Android shows the bottom-feeder stuff on, again, supposedly reputable publishers' sites: TIME, CNN, Salon, Vox, and more. And the only impression it gives me is that thes companies have to be absolutely desperate to let that crap darken their pages.
You're right, it's absolutely insulting. To both the reader and the sites running the spots.
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What do you propose - more sponsored articles and product placement? Paying per site will ensure I hear fewer points of view on the news and other topics since it doesn't scale well currently.
Why do you assume you only receive accurate news if news agencies have a revenue stream? I would argue the opposite is true. Advertising increases the likelihood that your news in not honest and accurate.
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Then pay for content. Ads are how people who provide free content make money. Yes, they are often offensive (visually, not necessarily the content), slow to load, and contain or utilize some of tracker or retargeting mechanism. But if you can remove those and you basically just have a PNG telling you about a product or service, that is the very definition of acceptable. But to freely consume content from someone (whe…
I blanket block every ad (or whatever the list currently has). If a site has ads, I'll manually block those too. I'll go into their code and find their ad service url and add it into my list. I'll do whatever it takes to remove them, regardless if its simple or not. I do not want to see them and I will continue to visit those sites. I just wish a good adblocker would come to mobile because I'd use it there as well.
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You chose a particularly interesting example: as far as I can tell, to a first approximation, all timeshares are scams designed to separate a fool from their money. So if I had the free time, I would consider attending in order to ask pointed questions and warn other people away.
You could also make the argument that ads or ad networks are potentially dangerous. That doesn't make Ad Blocking ethical, just justified. The ethical thing to do would be to either not use an Ad Blocker or not visit sites that are ad supported, neither of which is realistic if I'm being honest. I think we're at a very Napster moment for content websites.
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> Ads on sites like Google and Facebook are perfectly fine by me—I just don't want big, animated ads or (more frequently) broken ones which prevent me from reading content. Honest question - don't the sidebar ads (on the right) on Facebook look ugly and intrusive to you (more so since they also change often)? Apart from Facebook tracking, I block ads on Facebook because of these too.
> Honest question - don't the sidebar ads (on the right) on Facebook look ugly and intrusive to you (more so since they also change often)? Not at all. I honestly don't even understand how you could think they are. They're literally just a (static) image and a few lines of text. Heck, I often even find Facebook ads to be inherently valuable. Most of them are for services I use and like.
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This is a conflict of values between users and the devs. - Users want ads to just go away, period, the end. - The devs want ads to be nice . So they swat down the nasty ones and permit the nice ones. Ransomware was probably the wrong way to do that, but I can see why it was superficially appealing. "We check your ads for niceness, and then permit them. We won't give our effort away for free", being the idea behind it…
except by nice ads they mean anyone willing to pay to get whitelisted