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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by stvswn »

dragonwriter wrote: post #274
stvswn wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France jealously guards its secular republic. Separation of church and state is a top priority (well above the U.S. and U.K. -- for instance, head coverings are not allowed in public schools). The French are notably resilient in the face of intimidation (see the protests and solidarity after the Charlie Hebdo shootings). There's a lot about the French for terrorists to hate, which is worthy of admiration in my opinio…

> Separation of church and state is a top priority (well above the U.S. and U.K. -- for instance, head coverings are not allowed in public schools). That's not separation of church and state, that's suppression of unpopular religion by the secular state, which is no different than suppression of unpopular religion in favor of a popular religion by the state. (And its not just in schools, though that was one of the fo…

I wasn't endorsing, and I think you and I would probably agree about quite a bit. I was pointing out ways in which French values are at odds with the terrorists'. Still, I admire their resilience, solidarity, and the willingness to stand up for their culture and values. I think the West could use more of that.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by serge2k »

rdl wrote: post #100
jacquesm wrote: post #91

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This is not a technology problem.

It's not primarily a technology problem, but I think there are technological solutions which will help mitigate the harm to innocents. (There's also a whole suite of technology problems here solved via JDAMs and Hellfires, which seem to be actively being pursued.)

This is HN. The homeless guy who hasn't eaten in 3 days doesn't need a sandwich, he needs a startup to help disrupt.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jonah »

rtz12 wrote: post #213
jonah wrote: post #177

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The challenge is to separate the legitimate refugees from those with nefarious intent isn't it. :(

Which is impossible. Look at the situation in refugee camps in Germany. Massive violence because a non-muslim refugee insulted the islam (happened quite a few times now). Christian refugees fleeing from the camps and seeking shelter in churches. Refugees constructing mafia-like structures. All these things happen, and that's just what the mass media reports. Police forces around the country have already been ordered…

> We'll be in some deep shit in the coming years.

Yup, as we always have been since we were humans. Sad.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by elros »

scrollaway wrote: post #299
rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

I live in greece, but france is my country and I haven't heard back from my sister who lives around there. I know the odds are she's fine, but there's still the doubt in my mind. It certainly feels different when you feel affected. You want to be reactionary. You want to have a knee-jerk reaction. Maybe I now understand why people are so quick to try to blame the issue on a certain cause. But inside me I've spent my…

Is she on Facebook? You can try https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/paris_terror_attacks/ . J'espère que tout vas bien.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jacquesm »

bengalister wrote: post #341
elros wrote: post #209

I am French and have friends and family in Paris, fortunately they are all safe. I am however in shock and can't really process much except for shedding tears. I feel the strong need to point out that in these difficult times in Europe and the world, we CANNOT allow right-wing political extremism to use them to gather power. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MUSLIMS, IMMIGRANTS OR WHATNOT. THIS IS ABOUT CRAZY PEOPLE.

French too living in France, but sorry I am fed up of hearing that. Don't you think there's something wrong with Islam and its worshippers in the current days ? Not a single week without hearing about an attack made by islam integrists: Beiruth yesterday, Ankara few weeks ago. It is global, not a few crazy people, tens of thousands of them. Muslims in France have had hard time condeming the Charlie hebdo's attacks an…

I disagree, strongly. I disagree because specifically this is the reaction that these attacks are supposed to provoke leading to a further split of society and if possible an even more fertile ground for further radicalization. Essentially that's the other stroke of the piston. If you really want the engine to stop then please do not react in the way these assholes want you to.

Islam has nothing to do with this whatsoever, no more than say a Christian shooter in some cinema in has anything to do with Christianity. Islam as a religion has a ton of issues that make this particular kind of thing very hard to get rid of and it is a sad coincidence that many youths that are easily misled are receptive to all sorts of bs but to generalize across a billion or so people because of what a few assholes did is simply wrong.

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Post by serge2k »

Keyframe wrote: post #330
ghostDancer wrote: post #55

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Most of the refugees are running from this kind of people but in their own country.

Problem is screening for who's who.

What do you mean? They are all women and children. Even that guy with the heavy beard and body of a 25 year old man, he's really 15. He's actually Syrian too, the accent being completely wrong is just a quirk.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by blackBar »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #118
Glyptodon wrote: post #37

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Why is there to begin with? Seemed random when I first noticed it.

First thing I did was inspect element on it... class="mourning"... oh :(

Not really. Here's what I see:

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by Sven7 »

ajkjk wrote: post #288
Sven7 wrote: post #97

I'd like to see a ban on live threads, when these things happen. Beyond reporting emergency contact info they serve no purpose other than encouraging the next attack.

You legitimately can't imagine any other purpose to them?

When it comes to unfolding tragedies. Nope.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by petah »

sohaeb wrote: post #342

As a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that are trying to cause fear and hatred, you are just making other muslims living in the west feel scared and sad. I swear, right now im scared taht one day some people will be treating muslims just like how Americans used to treat black people in Slavery era. Even w…

I just can't imagine how you can be intelligent enough to come and read up about all the beauty of technology, and still be a follower of such a primitive religion. Any religion, but Muslim religion especially.
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