If you care about what other people say about your or read and imagine about you (an anonymous person) on a random social app, your life might be juvenile and/or completely devoid of meaning. Adults meeting face to face sum each other up in a matter of moments. Nothing promised or promoted or warned changes that. Someone should tell this guy to grow up.
Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
#342Where are all the feminists now? This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men. I am seriously asking - Where are all the femi…
I'm a feminist. I'm not outraged. If I was outraged because destructive things exist, I would be a bundle of rage 24 hours a day and never get anything done. What enrages me is sensible people supporting sexism, and no one I respect supports this. I also am not driven by blind principle, I focus on practicality. As a futurist, I don't see this catching on, let alone abuse of if becoming a big problem. Why would I put…
Some of your points are valid.
With all due respect, you should be outraged too, no? Because a LOT of feminists were outraged when similar things happened to women. My question is exactly addressed to you: Why are you outraged when it happens to gender X and why do you dismiss it when it happens to gender Y, saying things like "it's not a big problem", "we have many other things to worry about in the society" (as another commenter posted, etc.)
Assuming that gender X can withstand all this but not gender Y is sexism by itself. I appreciate your positive look on life, in general, but you are not being fair here.
>As a futurist, I don't see this catching on, let alone abuse of if becoming a big problem.
This is exactly the kind of mentality we hate. Supporting something based on the drama around it is the worst thing a feminist like you can do. Does this mean isolated incidents with no drama can be safely ignored? I think it's a poor methodology.
This is not about violence. It's about the identities of people who never opted for something. So, you're saying something along the lines of
"I don't care because it's not a serious issue (yet). And you have to deal with it."
Which is unfair. How would you like to see your face on a pornographic site uploaded without your consent? Wouldn't you and other feminists be outraged? That's exactly the feeling we've got right now, because it's our identity at stake. And you can't just ask us to live with it, just because there's no drama around it.
As a feminist, if this is the mindset with which you and your friends are working towards sexism, then, I think you would be contributing more to sexism than eradicating it. And this is disgusting. Someone should probably write a blog post about this mindset, so people like you can stop calling yourselves feminists, representing other genuine feminists in the wrong way.
Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Just because you have no response to something doesn't make it trolling. Certainly not. Posting deliberately inflammatory nonsense is however. Especially when posting it as a complete non-sequitur reply to an entirely unrelated post. Doubly so when you then proceed to act like a response is warranted, and double down on the random nonsense.
The post I replied to was, in part, a (poorly worded) justification of the need for "men's rights advocates," and that is the part I chose to reply to. If you're angered by my disagreement, it's not because I'm being inflammatory. I have not engaged in the name-calling you have, nor have I tried to undermine your posts by pretending to be unable to understand them. I have simply stated my honest opinion. Perhaps you…
>The post I replied to was, in part, a (poorly worded) justification of the need for "men's rights advocates
No, it was not. I said nothing about men's rights, you simply assume that I must be an MRA because I disagreed with something you perceive as feminist. Just like MRAs assume I am a feminist when I disagree with something they say.
>If you're angered by my disagreement
Why do you think I am angered? And you have not expressed disagreement, your post literally had nothing to do with anything I said. You posted a complete non-sequitur, which you know is deliberately inflammatory, under the assumption that I am someone who will be offended by it. That is the very definition of trolling, even if your assumption is incorrect.
Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Instead of blindly blaming feminists (without actually understanding what most feminists actually stand for) for them being on the marketplace Why do discussions like this always get such ridiculous strawman arguments tossed around? Nobody is blaming feminists. People are pointing out that the vocal, hateful group of internet "feminists" constantly claim they are against sexism in all forms, and thus men's rights ad…
"Feminist" found count - 41. "Feminism" found count - 13. "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" was one of the top comments when this post was on the front page a few hours ago and helped set the stage for the continuing commentary. The uproar in this thread is over placing inappropriate blame on people that neither asked for nor made this app. As Stavros said above, the company is primarily male and this aspect of the app…
>"Feminist" found count - 41. "Feminism" found count - 13. "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" was one of the top comments
I'm not sure how you could misunderstand my post as it was quite clear. I know people mentioned feminists. Yes, they say things like "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" just like I said. That is not blaming feminists for the creation of the app, which is what you claimed, and what I very clearly and explicitly responded to.
>The uproar in this thread is over placing inappropriate blame on people that neither asked for nor made this app
No it is not. Asking why feminists aren't speaking out against something is not blaming them for the creation of that thing.
Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
#345How much outrage is there over The Playbook app, which lets men share and rate pictures of their "romantic encounters"? Seemingly less than there is over LuLu, unless I missed it. http://theplaybookapp.com/
IIRC that hit HN a few months to a year ago. Everyone said it was slimy and disgusting and that the creators should feel bad for being assholes. So there's that. --edit-- Here is is - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5087859 It wasn't as as popular as this topic, and there are one or two "how will you monetise this" posts, but in general it got slammed.
The free market is good at giving people what they want.
But sometimes, people getting what they want is a horrible thing.
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#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. Because that, along with the article itself, suggests that the unusual compulsion is not a strong opposition to sexism. Ad hominem concerns apply to rational arguments. This piece is not cool, rational discourse. It's a highly emotional piece, written to incite emotion. Inquiring about the source and nature of the emotion that drives it is fair.
He probably didn't notice sexism until it became personal. Why is that wrong? Most people become activists when something personally gets in their face, rather than through some abstract idea of "justice".
It's not wrong as such. It's just shallow. Hopefully it's the beginning for him of understanding sexism more deeply.
I do think it's wrong for a writer, though. If you're going to set yourself up as writing an article about a topic, I think you should actually know something about the topic.
This would have been a better piece if he'd made it more explicitly about his own feelings all the way through, rather than trying to make it about bigger things.
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
If "men have the upper hand and lower hand"; then, yes men actually do have the upper hand.
"X have upper hand" implies that on average X are better off than non-X. Therefore it's not very honest to talk only about the well-off subset of X, if there's a similarly sized not-so-well-off subset of X which mirrors the successful subset.
> "X have upper hand" implies that on average X are better off than non-X.
I don't think that's a valid inference, honestly. Firstly, "average" is too tied to distribution and biased outliers and asymmetry. Perhaps you intended to compare medians.
"have the upper hand" I think means that when you compare proportions of X to non-X within strata that the proportion of X decreases with increasing status.
Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Feminist" found count - 41. "Feminism" found count - 13. "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" was one of the top comments when this post was on the front page a few hours ago and helped set the stage for the continuing commentary. The uproar in this thread is over placing inappropriate blame on people that neither asked for nor made this app. As Stavros said above, the company is primarily male and this aspect of the app…
>"Feminist" found count - 41. "Feminism" found count - 13. "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" was one of the top comments I'm not sure how you could misunderstand my post as it was quite clear. I know people mentioned feminists. Yes, they say things like "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" just like I said. That is not blaming feminists for the creation of the app, which is what you claimed, and what I very clearly and expl…
Are you a feminist? Are you voicing your opinion? Then yes, feminists are speaking out. I don't know what this place expects; a story comes out and within hours members of this community decide that not a group isn't "doing their job" because they're personally not seeing enough outrage to satisfy them and prove the group is worthy of their support. As linked in other comments, plenty are.
Yet many of people come into these threads with the intent to argue with those whom they inherently believe will approve of an app like this because their misguided thought-process has them thinking the majority of feminists would praise it. They're quick to get mad at women, not at the developers or the mindset that this is okay. They're quick to complain at a movement for not doing enough in 24 hours, when we're all a part of it.
Not only that, but the current top comments here are complaining about how women abuse their "privilege" by calling men they deem unworthy of their time "creepy" and have decided to pile on needlessly to the idea that everyday interactions are going to land them with such a title. Again, there are very few women on HN alone, no less those willing to engage with people who honestly think that this is standardized practice for +/- 50% of the population, thus leaving dissenting opinions in the dust and piling on one-off anecdotes as some sort of social proof that they're right. How is that benefitting anyone?
This is not the first women's-issue thread in which I've seen you (and others here) personally go out of your way to talk without actually having anything to say. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove here, but it isn't conveying anything other than you are arguing to argue.
Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept
#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"Feminist" found count - 41. "Feminism" found count - 13. "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" was one of the top comments I'm not sure how you could misunderstand my post as it was quite clear. I know people mentioned feminists. Yes, they say things like "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" just like I said. That is not blaming feminists for the creation of the app, which is what you claimed, and what I very clearly and expl…
Are you a feminist? Are you voicing your opinion? Then yes, feminists are speaking out. I don't know what this place expects; a story comes out and within hours members of this community decide that not a group isn't "doing their job" because they're personally not seeing enough outrage to satisfy them and prove the group is worthy of their support. As linked in other comments, plenty are. Yet many of people come int…
>I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove here
That is clear from the content of your post. The question is, why are you so unsure. It is very simple, and I made it very clear. Twice in fact. You said that people here are blaming feminists for the creation of the app. I said that is false. That's it. That is the whole thing. I do not see how you can have such a hard time understanding such a very simple statement.
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#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you're the troll because you don't appear to know any feminists, or what feminists read. Jezebel and Slate's XX Factor are definitely prominent within the feminist blogosphere (if there is such a thing). You're also trolling by comparing a startup to the clusterfuck that was the Pycon incident. They are just simply not similar events. There have been creepy dating or hookup apps which have come up on Hacker News…
>Jezebel and Slate's XX Factor are definitely prominent within the feminist blogosphere (if there is such a thing). You just didn't understand what I said, did you? Re-read my comment above.
Why bother? you're still wrong.
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