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Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by maipen »

throwaway323929 wrote: post #316
Valodim wrote: post #238

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> I really wish we could leave these types of decisions up to parents and parents only. Leave the companies and governments out of it. If you'd like to advocate for this position for a living, the tobacco, alcohol, and gambling industries will all be happy to pay you.

Kids do all of this stuff anyways, making it illegal doesn't stop it from happening. But we're not talking about a product that kills its users, we're talking about a polymath that can help its users build and create things. Are you intellectually prepared to believe that Claude Code is as dangerous as cigarettes, a product that kills 50% of its users? Do you genuinely believe, as a core belief, that Claude Code will…

> Kids do all of this stuff anyways, making it illegal doesn't stop it from happening.

This so completely untrue! These things are absolutely effective for the majority of kids. Just because some stand out in a crowd, doesn't mean others are doing it too.

When trying to prevent something, the more friction you add the better.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by metalcrow »

fn-mote wrote: post #139
rollypoley wrote: post #46

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I think it has more to do with reasonable usage for school age children. NYC got the ball rolling banning AI in the classroom and if Anthropic is smart it will create a classroom version (ie. seperate Claude accounts for minors) with additional guard rails and watermarks to prevent YOLOing homework assignments and projects. Schools are not equipped to have these discussions bottom-up; Anthropic would make a lot of mo…

I agree with your assertions, but… AI companies have the same fear of underage users that tobacco companies of underage smokers. > reasonable usage for school age children Comical to believe that any of these companies care. They are out to MAKE MONEY. That’s the only believable motivation for what the do.

Then what's the reason behind this decision?

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by forshaper »

Waterluvian wrote: post #317
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

I've been using certain slurs as more proof-of-human, and any nuanced thinking that skirts by certain ideologies like Chechens hugging Russian artillery in 1995.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by roboror »

skrebbel wrote: post #201
sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #185

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This seems like a lazy snipe. They clearly state that they receive only an age verification result and none of the personal data. It would take collusion from both sides to silently enable transfer of user data while publicly stating that they don't. I have used these KYC services before. There is the option to get access to all user data - but unless there is evidence to the contrary, we have to take their word for…

No fucking way I’m sending my biometric data to some sleazy foreign company I know nothing about. The fact that “Yoti” is separate from Anthropic doesnt suddenly make this less gross.

Right, Sending off my data to some random 3rd party company with far lower stakes does not make me feel better.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by selimthegrim »

officeplant wrote: post #226
rottenface583 wrote: post #208

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In the olden days in these and other situations, you hit the bar, got shitfaced, told your lifes story to a bottle and maybe banged a geezer/cougar that happened to be there. Something like that.

Honestly I could go for a mental health cougar right about now.

I don’t think they’re free either

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by NichoPaolucci »

vjulian wrote: post #266
NichoPaolucci wrote: post #157

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Perhaps they can make their ideas reality by learning the fundamentals required to do these things. As much as I think AI is a productivity enhancer, I still think that it's beneficial for people who are still developing their brains. Kids should be thinking for themselves, they barely know how to do it yet.

That’s an excellent philosophy that ought be applied to your own child but not extended to others.

I'm not telling anyone how to raise their children, companies have terms of service. When we can't accurately assess risk, the default we reach for is an age minimum (social media, alcohol, driving).

If, in time, we find out that AI usage during developmental learning periods is a major positive, I'm sure they will give AI to 5 year olds, and I'm all for that.

Though, I have a sneaking suspicion it could be similar to kids with tablets. It encourages isolation, rewards addictive behavior, stunts personal growth, and enforces the concept of instant gratification.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by musha68k »

throwaway323929 wrote: post #333
jachee wrote: post #328

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> we're not talking about a product that kills its users Yeah, it just pushes the ones with the tendency to do it themselves.

Are you being sardonic, or can you seriously not tell the difference in harm between smoking cigarettes and Claude? I genuinely don't understand how you can survive in the world with a risk assessment system this damaged.

"Think of the kids!" OK but the impact of this technology shouldn't be underestimated and one doesn't only have to read up on the extreme ends. From personal experience, have you ever "chatted" with a model outside of technical/work related stuff? Both Anthropic as well as OpenAI models have been overstepping personal (user) boundaries for years now. There are multiple reasons for why Google hasn't capitalized on the transformer much earlier..

I'm neither a proponent of the recent Zuckerberg maneuver to "protect the children!" nor of the EU based zero-knowledge proof track, but the people in those companies need to be kept accountable.

The new Claude availability constraints seem to me then like a (late) hedge against any major litigations on that front..

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AI-induced_psycho...

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by tamimio »

Well I mean, I think we should thank anthropic, because they just spoiled what’s coming next for the AI companies, either provide an ID so can track you and what you type accurately and use it in retrospect in future if needed, or no access, even though you are using a credit card with same name!

I think the underground AI reseller market will boom, full of people who want to use tokens without having the history linked to them, or something like vpn/tor but for tokens, or a tokenmuxer! -I have great idea to fund, ycombinator wink wink :)- at least until we get viable local models.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by 00deadbeef »

embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

Before writing this did you read the part where it says you don’t even need ID?

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by CrazyStat »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #264
CrazyStat wrote: post #235

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If a law is going to treat 5 year olds differently from 50 year olds then a line has to be drawn somewhere. 18 is arbitrary, but no more arbitrary than any other age you could pick.

The law could evaluate people as individuals instead of conjuring up some idiotic magic number.

The whole purpose of law is to be a uniform system of justice. At best it could offer guidelines for how to evaluate people: perhaps level of education attained, demonstrated ability to take responsibility for themselves, etc. But the evaluation under those guidelines would still have to be made by humans.

There is precedent for such a system, e.g. minors can petition to be emancipated which allows them to be treated in many regards like an adult.

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