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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

I’m not refuting your point but, ironically, wasn’t gcc first developed at a time when hackers were trading favors for CPU time on shared mainframes and the hardware was impossibly expensive?

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Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

I mean, I can question if this is a good thing. Here's a quote from Zuck's blog post: "Putting power in people's hands to pursue their own aspirations is how humanity has made the most progress. Novel ideas and major steps forward rarely originate from established institutions alone. They came from the brothers in a bicycle shop who believed people could fly, the bookbinder's apprentice with no schooling who figured…

That reads like it was written by a PR company, or at the very least by a team of professional speechwriters. It has all the tells of political rhetoric.

I have zero faith that Zuckerberg went anywhere near these words. It's possible he may not even have set their general direction, beyond "We need a distraction from our court cases. Something that will harm OpenAI and Anthropic would be great."

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post #329

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It’s hard to know in retrospect what was strategy and what was dumb luck. This was in the midst of hysterical calls to limit access by “AI researchers” and safety/ethics types, when very facile takes still has a lot of sway (I think we’ll feel the same in three years about the current Fable stuff). It may have been hard for Meta to just release it outright. What ended up happening was fairly limited gating followed b…

I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Yea this has to be a joke. They are one of the worst, no-good companies of the modern day and age

There are definitely evil ones but there are okish ones as well.

read Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams and see if you still consider them “okish”.

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post #107

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It has nothing to do with exploiting them. It was about them turning over personal information to a nobody. It can be insightful and curt at the same time.

If you don't see that as exploitation, then we have much bigger issues to discuss. Like baseline ethics.

He would have to be using the social security numbers for some nefarious purpose for it to be exploitation.

He was merely commenting on the ridiculousness of their availability. If you don’t see that, you’re reading your bias and postconcieved notions into the situation.

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post #79

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It was an insightful comment at the time he made it. His point wasn’t that he couldn’t be trusted, it was that he could be anyone and people had zero awareness or concern for their privacy. It was eye opening to him how little people outside tech circles cared about security, and he was both flippant and accurate.

WHY was it an insightful comment Do you not realize that outside of that he said "If you need any info on people at Harvard just ask"? Or "I'm going to fuck them [the Winklevoss twins] in the ear"? Or when he was reported to hack Crimson (Harvard newspaper) reporters who were investigating him? NO OTHER COMPANY HEADS DO THIS (the dumb fucks quote, not the other things). Why do people like you give him a pass? It's no…

It wasn’t a company.

Do you not understand sarcasm? He wasn’t actually offering the information out to people.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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From Zuck's own words "we will resume releasing some open source models soon" Why did you pause releasing them in the first place? Why release only some? Pushes for export controls on China who have released open weights on much more powerful models than Meta (and I believe that trend's not changing any time soon). I guess open models are bad if they're communist. The entire essay has not one mention of the Metaverse…

I can’t quite parse what you’re saying in your second paragraph, but if you are saying “[Zuckerberg then] pushes for export controls on China” then that’s different to what he’s saying, namely:

“I do not believe restricting access to foreign open source models is an effective solution.”

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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I thought open model != open source?

Yes, and even calling them "open weights" is very generous considering the license restrictions. The Financial Times puts "open" in quotes for good reason.

It's apache 2.0. Not exactly restrictive?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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I'm not an expert on this. But given that there is a forthcoming movie about his asshattery which is to be released in October I would simply classify this as a meltdown.

Call it whatever you want. I think it's a sign of resignation, to some extent.

"Hey we're doing AI but we're not doing AI" and blah blah ethics.

I'm sure meta will save the world with their ads.

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Is it really worth getting a lawyer? Even of you win what is the gain?

They could have it taken out of print if it was as fictional and damaging as some say. I see new copies are still for sale so it can't be that.

Oh, I agree they could. Question is, is it worth the bother? the lawyers are the only ones who win if you tried anything.
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