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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by petesergeant »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #308
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

A password is considered (by courts) to be testimony. Face, gesture or fingerprints are considered things like keys which you can be forced/compelled to turn over when commanded by law enforcement. Therefore, only passwords, which will require a court order to unlock, are secure enough for now.

> A password is considered (by courts) to be testimony

For now. It doesn't seem like an especially natural fit. Regardless of the merits of being able to compelled to turn over your password, relying on labored interpretation of laws is not a good idea: 14th amendment was always a very shaky basis for abortion rights, as the 2nd is a very shaky one for personal gun rights.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by dns_snek »

WarmWash wrote: post #333
toofy wrote: post #94

we desperately need a separation of corporations and state the same way we have a separation of church and state . we need a government that is antagonistic towards corporations that are abusing us. it’s wild how much influence they have and how little pushback the government ever gives them when they clearly abuse us from every direction.

Corporations are the ones who make money for the government. The people elect the leaders, and the corporations bankroll the operations. Every time a new hot startup comes about, the government anticipates an army of highly paid (read: top tax bracket) individuals being cultivated.

> Corporations are the ones who make money for the government.

No they don't, people do, always have and always will. The owners of these corporations simply have an undue level of control over the collective wealth created by the people.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by jbxntuehineoh »

inigyou wrote: post #283
jahnu wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Chief, we got a citizen here with a suspiciously small online footprint. Investigate further?”

IIRC ICE has detained people trying to enter America without social media apps.

wise move, they could be radical anarcho-boomerists

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by cindyllm »

MomsAVoxell wrote: post #334
dTal wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like saying "I would be fine with people shooting at me, if only the bullets were replaced with quarters and they were carefully handed over instead of fired at high velocity".

First of all, there is currently zero good, democratic, public control over the oppressive apparatus currently recording everyone, and everything. It is a fascist utopia of human rights violations, the western intelligence apparatus. So, let's not bumble over inapt euphemism. There is for sure a far worse scenario that can be offered - but there is a far better outcome, if an intelligence super-state is to be accompl…

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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by purplemoonx »

vaylian wrote: post #330
purplemoonx wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully I live in SF where we still have personal rights not some authoritarian shithole like Canada or the UK

Palantir and Flock have entered the chat

Mainstream News has entered your mind. It likes it here, and is going to stay a while.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by graceful6800 »

Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223
inigyou wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using GrapheneOS makes you a terrorist now. I'm a terrorist.

Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

Using a duress PIN or other duress feature is now considered destroying evidence so YMMV

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by WarmWash »

dns_snek wrote: post #342
WarmWash wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations are the ones who make money for the government. The people elect the leaders, and the corporations bankroll the operations. Every time a new hot startup comes about, the government anticipates an army of highly paid (read: top tax bracket) individuals being cultivated.

> Corporations are the ones who make money for the government. No they don't, people do, always have and always will. The owners of these corporations simply have an undue level of control over the collective wealth created by the people.

Can you explain how the people do?

What you said sounds nice, but is it actually the case? Because as far as I can tell, we're all out here being willfully delegated work by corporations rather than taking the risk of doing it ourselves.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by mdp2021 »

BoppreH wrote: post #317
mdp2021 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "setup a trigger that wipes a device" is already on shaky grounds It isn't on shaky grounds: you protect your private device from everyone, not just from some "law enforcement". If you want to protect your private device from any party (e.g. thieves, trivially), it will also be protected against law enforcement agents as a side effect.

What trigger would you setup to protect against thieves ? I can't think of any that has the right sensitivity (not triggering if I start running to catch the bus), and won't escalate the violence (like my fingerprint wiping the phone in front of an armed robber). And remember that the context here is you explaining your digital booby trap to a judge who thinks you might have deliberately destroyed evidence.

> What trigger would you setup to protect against thieves?

"Wipe the data after a number of failed logon attempts".

I understand that this does not fit completely with the "in front of law enforcement" idea, but it opposes your «any solution that starts with "setup a trigger that wipes a device" [would be] already on shaky grounds»: we can very legitimately setup triggers that wipe devices in the possibility that the device falls into random hands.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by stronglikedan »

Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223
inigyou wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using GrapheneOS makes you a terrorist now. I'm a terrorist.

Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

> you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone

Nitpick, but that's only if you have biometric authentication configured in the first place, which you aren't compelled to do.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by Filligree »

knollimar wrote: post #259
margalabargala wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? If they use a machine learning approach. AI is more than LLMs. It's a trained model, just like Claude.

Using the broader label to imply good things about the narrow thing sucks. Like being pro "technology" means nothing

The word means what it does. I’m not changing my use of language just because some people misunderstand the dictionary definition.
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