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Post by infecto »

shakna wrote: post #317
infecto wrote: post #83

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Did you miss the 1st utility part? It can be quite hard for nonresidential users to retrofit for solar. Not impossible but sometimes not an easy solve.

Sorry, I do have a bias. > 11.40% of TX electricity is from solar This is... Not a huge statement to me. My home state is at 16% solar, and we're calling it inadequate. [0] Its not a 1-to-1, as we have probably 10% of the people, and 1/3 of the landmass. More spread out, different demand, so a completely different landscape. But 11% is not some victory dance. [0] https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/about-energy/news/news-s…

Not sure what point you have. I am not advocating Texas is the best in the world or doing a happy dance but you were quoting a specific number which was nonresidential which captures the various commercial and other nonresidential/utility generation. I would never expect those to be that high, it’s hard to retrofit some commercial roofs, might be a longer payoff and where there is density you don’t have ground space for panels.

I am glad Victoria is doing well. Texas could always do better but keep in mind what % you’re quoting that Texas has 7x the solar capacity that Victoria has. I suspect that will get even more aggressive has batteries have become more cost effective at utility scale.

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vrganj wrote: post #334
ipaddr wrote: post #330

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Those are not choices on a form with race. Presented with a form they would select white. Nationalism isn't race. You are losing the debate changing goalposts doesn't work.

There is no such thing as race in Europe. You still do not understand the very fundamentals. The forms would not indicate white, they'd indicate Croat and Serbian. Here's the census from back when they shared a country: [0]. Note the absence of "white". A Croat will never agree they are the same anything as a Serb. Your limited understanding smushed millennia of history into the primitive categories your country deve…

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Post by ipaddr »

vrganj wrote: post #338
ipaddr wrote: post #337

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"no such thing as race in Europe" You lost the debate here. People classify themselves in a million ways. But we are talking race. Next you'll say there are no males or females just Croats or Serbs. No blonds or brown haired people just Serbs or Croats. Lol.

Again, you don't understand. Race is absolutely meaningless here. It is a concept developed in the US a few hundred years ago to justify slavery. You insist it maps to our continent, which has had identities develop long before we came to invade your part of the world. It does not, no matter how much you insist. You told me it's what people would pick on forms. I showed you the form. It wasn't even an option. There i…

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Post by vrganj »

ipaddr wrote: post #343
vrganj wrote: post #338

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Again, you don't understand. Race is absolutely meaningless here. It is a concept developed in the US a few hundred years ago to justify slavery. You insist it maps to our continent, which has had identities develop long before we came to invade your part of the world. It does not, no matter how much you insist. You told me it's what people would pick on forms. I showed you the form. It wasn't even an option. There i…

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You are trying to muddle millennia of identity into the primitive broad strokes that are the only thing your country is capable of.

A Pole is fundamentally different from an Englishman is fundamentally different from a Greek.

Your silly wide standards do not apply here and any argument based on them deserves to be laughed out of the room.

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Post by dathinab »

ponector wrote: post #328
dathinab wrote: post #209

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> claims it won't be a world power at all: which is very much possible 50 years once just a blink in human history is today enough to have 2 major industrial revolutions nukes are not an argument for anything but main land defense from invasions Look Russia, it was considered on of the most powerful countries military wise and cleanly in the top 10 economically. Many treated it as a 3rd place behind USA/China. It pro…

>> nukes are not an argument for anything but main land defense from invasions But it is not an argument even for that. Imagine Russian tanks are crossing the border towards your capital. Will your government use nukes is such case?

yes, quite likely

and if we look on some of the more extreme cases: France Nuclear doctrine is not "we could decide to use nukes if our country is invaded" but roughly more like "we use them by default in such a case and you would need to overrule this to not use them"

Through this is for a "full on invasion in the classical sense". This is unlikely to bee seen as triggered for e.g. colonies or some back and force on border disputes (including e.g. attack on supply lines behind the border).

nukes only work as a deterrent if you are willing to use them if a (deep) bottom line is crossed, like foreign tanks heading to your capital

I'm not saying this is good, just that you really shouldn't rely on people not using nukes.

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Post by surgical_fire »

ipaddr wrote: post #335
surgical_fire wrote: post #331

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Your "facts" is just great replacement theory. Debating racists is a fool's errand. I choose mockery instead.

Debating is impossible when you don't have facts supporting you. Mockery is next followed by acceptance. Wish you well on your journey towards knowledge.

Let's settle it like this then.

I hope you get what you want. Keep all the whites in your territory, and you get to have your land for your race, whatever you think it may be.

On this side of the pond, we can be welcoming all those pesky Indians, Asians, Muslim, Latin Americans, African, Slavic and so on. The more highly educated they are, the better.

I wish you luck in your inbreeding.

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Post by surgical_fire »

vrganj wrote: post #344
ipaddr wrote: post #343

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You are trying to muddle millennia of identity into the primitive broad strokes that are the only thing your country is capable of. A Pole is fundamentally different from an Englishman is fundamentally different from a Greek. Your silly wide standards do not apply here and any argument based on them deserves to be laughed out of the room.

I commend your patience in trying to debate a racist. But you proved it is futile.

Racism must be some sort of cognitive disability. He is completely unable to understand how the world works beyond skin color.

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Post by ipaddr »

vrganj wrote: post #339
ipaddr wrote: post #336

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Natives replaced other natives. Don't let it happen to you.

No man, the whites are not natives, definitionally . They were invaders and even in your twisted nativist ideology never had a claim to Canada. At least be consistent.

Whites are native in Europe not Canada.

You may not know this but the natives in North America killed the natives who lived their before white people moved in.

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Post by ipaddr »

vrganj wrote: post #344
ipaddr wrote: post #343

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You are trying to muddle millennia of identity into the primitive broad strokes that are the only thing your country is capable of. A Pole is fundamentally different from an Englishman is fundamentally different from a Greek. Your silly wide standards do not apply here and any argument based on them deserves to be laughed out of the room.

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Post by vrganj »

ipaddr wrote: post #349
vrganj wrote: post #344

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You are trying to muddle millennia of identity into the primitive broad strokes that are the only thing your country is capable of. A Pole is fundamentally different from an Englishman is fundamentally different from a Greek. Your silly wide standards do not apply here and any argument based on them deserves to be laughed out of the room.

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The only one that sounds racist is you, espousing Great Replacement conspiracy theories.

But you know that and now that you've fully run out of talking points, there's nothing left but projection.

This has become thoroughly unproductive, you have demonstrated for everyone to see you're not interested in actually learning, just in spreading hate.

Theres no point engaging anymore, I believe your own comments have sufficiently demonstrated the inconsistency and vileness of the message you're trying to push.

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