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Claude Code sends 33k tokens before reading the prompt; OpenCode sends 7k

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Re: Claude Code sends 33k tokens before reading the prompt; OpenCode sends 7k

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Post by grayhatter »

azinman2 wrote: post #211
athrowaway3z wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bailed on Anthropic the moment they started blocking alternative harnesses like pi on their subscription plans.

If I were anthropic I’d force that too. They offer the harness and if they control the entire pipeline then they can optimize the entire experience. It doesn’t have to be nefarious.

> It doesn’t have to be nefarious.

The nefarious part is because it's non optional. They could give you an option and compete by being better, instead you're given the finger as the option is taken from you. Competition is hard and banning people to create more FUD serves business need better.

You've obviously been gaslit so badly you're desperate to find a way to defend a shitty move and pretend it's the only way to increase usability. But you don't have to deny really! You're allowed to admit control is easier for a company than competition, and that they didn't have to, but did because it increases their control of the ecosystem.

If you want to defend someone, good? But at least save it for someone who actually deserves it. They don't; and you insult you and your readers intelligence by trying.

Re: Claude Code sends 33k tokens before reading the prompt; OpenCode sends 7k

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Post by systima »

Schiendelman wrote: post #99
systima wrote: post #79

UPDATE: After reading PUSH_AX's valid comment: ``` This is like saying contractor (A) asked for $33,000 to undertake the work and contractor (B) asked for $7,000 Are we measuring and caring about the right thing? ``` We will update the post to include: 1) A more in-depth task. 2) Qualitative results comparison. 3) As soon as possible, a reproduction of the inputs and outputs.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to this! I wonder if a lot of the 33k is context, like from recent conversations.

We've updated the post now!

Re: Claude Code sends 33k tokens before reading the prompt; OpenCode sends 7k

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Post by exe34 »

palmotea wrote: post #324
FridgeSeal wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just don't care anymore because it's not my responsibility or my code at all at that point Yep, 100%. Business has made it clear they don’t care, so there’s no point in burning one’s energy. Throw the whole thing on auto, check out, and go do something else during the day.

> Throw the whole thing on auto, check out, and go do something else during the day. If that's what you're doing, you're fucked (in today's society, at least). What happens to your job when they figure out that's what you're doing?

They need somebody to blame though, and you're much cheaper than a consultant.

Re: Claude Code sends 33k tokens before reading the prompt; OpenCode sends 7k

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Post by disiplus »

diurnalist wrote: post #122
hobofan wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I use pi btw Not sure if intentionally meant as a reference, but it gives "I use Arch btw" vibes.

Pi is one of the ways out of this problem (OpenCode another) so I took it as an intentional reference as it is highly relevant. I also use Pi as my daily driver and I think it's a wise choice to figure out how to decouple yourself from lab-specific harnesses that you have little control or observability over.

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