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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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I think the 'models have no moat' thing is overblown. Only like 3-4 companies in the entire world have cutting edge models, that means there is some kind of moat...

money. but it eventually runs out

Grok and Meta. Both have money and compute, both have shit models. Also Google. Has money, models not so good.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Question one: How much did this cost OpenAI? Question two: Why are OpenAI spending that money taking talent from Google, who can definitely outspend them for talent, and not Anthropic, who are leading the market and are at least somewhat financially constrained.

Anthropic is a cult making a god.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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post #299

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It's not a question of painful - I'm happy to "admit" what's true, as best I can, and not what's not true. Let's see if we can sort that out a bit in the present case. HN is certainly curated - I've been "admitting" that since the day I got outed as a mod here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 (March 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 (April 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=79629…

> snark and indignation These are preference-based but you're pretending they're objective. I find _your_ comments to be full of snark and indignation more than any you respond to, but of course you won't agree. (But because you don't agree, that makes me objectively wrong, I know.) "Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences." - someone…

Such a good quote, defending probably the last person on this Earth anyone would call "working class", including himself.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Its getting pretty lame that we talk about the these guys like they're football players transferring teams.

In this case, it's not a new thing ... back in 2005 (yes 21 years ago), people talked about the achievements of Noam Shazeer at Google (and Jeff Dean and Sanjay, etc) I always appreciated Jeff having a level head ... which this article seems to confirm: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/google-cracks-down-posts...

Shitposting about politics on internal boards is "having a level head"?

I've seen engmisc and industryinfo, and I agree they are sometimes insufferable but having a level head would be ignoring them.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Is that you Musk? Twitter lost half its revenue, more than 80% of its valuation.

That was mostly because Elon told advertisers to fuck themselves at an advertising convention no?

It's impossible to disambiguate but advertiser tools, brand safety, targeting, reporting etc all need a lot of ongoing effort. If it gets harder to advertise effectively on Twitter, those dollars can very easily go elsewhere.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, it's not a new thing ... back in 2005 (yes 21 years ago), people talked about the achievements of Noam Shazeer at Google (and Jeff Dean and Sanjay, etc) I always appreciated Jeff having a level head ... which this article seems to confirm: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/google-cracks-down-posts...

Shitposting about politics on internal boards is "having a level head"? I've seen engmisc and industryinfo, and I agree they are sometimes insufferable but having a level head would be ignoring them.

Reread the comment: Shazeer was the one shitposting about politics, not Jeff Dean. Dean called him out over it.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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It’s not literally a slur, but because it has developed negative connotations Jewish people tend to avoid it nowadays. Online, you are more likely to see it used by antisemites. Which is why I think that story is very likely bullshit. It’s from an account that very frequently posts pro-IRGC content, and has previously used “the G word” itself. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46247908

A bit bizarre that you're dragging a six-month old post, but I stand by what I said. Nothing in that comment is pejorative. I explained my reasoning for avoiding the word downthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48591986

I think “goybucks” is straightforwardly pejorative. You maybe didn’t mean it so, but that’s the straight line read of it given the white nationalist template of “goy$x” for some x.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shitposting about politics on internal boards is "having a level head"? I've seen engmisc and industryinfo, and I agree they are sometimes insufferable but having a level head would be ignoring them.

Reread the comment: Shazeer was the one shitposting about politics, not Jeff Dean. Dean called him out over it.

Oh, my bad, I mixed up the names on the comment. Yeah, Dean did always seem to have a level head from what little I've seen.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Question one: How much did this cost OpenAI? Question two: Why are OpenAI spending that money taking talent from Google, who can definitely outspend them for talent, and not Anthropic, who are leading the market and are at least somewhat financially constrained.

Allegedly OpenAI is struggling to jump to bigger models and had serious issues in the past (4.5) and also allegedly Shazeer is just the right guy for that. OpenAI is having issues hiring talent as most SF-style people want to go to Anthropic. Shazeer seems more politically aligned with OpenAI. But it's all speculation.
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