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Did we read the same article? You're complaining about an optional back-up service . No data is being "collected," you're giving it to them (in an encrypted form) to store on your behalf. How else would a backup service work? If you don't want to use the cloud version, there's a feature to store backups locally on-device. Signal blog: https://signal.org/blog/introducing-secure-backups/ HN: https://news.ycombinator.co…
It's hardly optional, they keep nagging you to turn it on until one day you accidentally do. Protected by only a 4-digit PIN by the way.
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Yet they stopped thinking as soon as their wallet got involved and never considered that their kids also need freedom and the ability to use technology that works for them and not against them. Selfishness and greed are the problem. The kids are just a convenient but shallow way to deflect from that.
I get the idea of refusing on principle, but the older I get the more I have started to become pessimistic towards that stance. I have seen time and time again that individual, principled stands like this do nothing to change anything and only hurt the individual. Unless you are part of an organized movement against something, opting out doesn't help.
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> Bare in mind we aren't banning the internet, just kids on social media. It's neither. it isn't social media only, there will be various sites that are age restricted, similar to IRL businesses. > A billion people have died from.... the internet? Youve GOT to explain this one lol how exactly? I didn't claim 'died', you assumed. I meant sum total of suffering and pain facilitated by it. The internet is just a "road",…
> think of it in terms of graph theory perhaps, edges and nodes and all. So we should ban letters as well because of all the badness they facilitated? Lots of crime has used telephones, we should also ban telephones yes? Because graph theory's etc?
as you said, the internet isn't being banned, so why would you stretch what i said to mean "ban letters"? sending letters to minors might require age verification if it were a real problem, you already need to verify your age to open a cell service, children can't sign up for mobile plans. you're trying to make this about something it's not so you can win an argument, I don't care who wins the argument, let's solve the problem. Your whataboutism doesn't have solutions attached to it, only winning of internet points.
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>Next step, certainly to outlaw most operating systems and older devices. They won't have to. Instead, they'll just make some new essentially mandatory tech which older devices cannot run – update or stop existing, societally. ---- Phones and email already seem this way (i.e. "required") – from my perspective as an internet user whom doesn't use phone/email, personally. Nobody believes me when answering "no phone, no…
I am very curious how you make it in current society without a phone or email. It does sound incredibly freeing, but I'm definitely having trouble comprehending how it works.
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For the past nine years I've lived literally next door to my primary places of employement. I do bluecollar tradework, part-time (by appointment, only); I have very few clients, cultivated over years of firing bad clients. I show up, at planned times, complete jobs, go home.
I have an attorney who handles any legal contacts (my "registered agent"). Accountant handles tax BS.
My bank is adjacent to my neighborhood (since I cannot do online banking without text/email/2FA), so I just walk over for account transactions.
When a service "absolutely requires" an email (e.g. online gaming) I'll use a temporary email burner – with a corresponding online purchase (for any future account recovery needs, called-in).
In my city, most street parking is pay-by-phone. I can usually find a "free" spot, but this often takes a few extra minutes – my US city isn't huge so most stores have parking.
I do own a one-way pager; but it's been off for years. My family is essentially one other person, and is within visitable driving range.
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Mostly I just don't like being interrupted/bothered (as much as I love socializing). Am honestly thinking about getting a landline... just to be able to "reach out" by voice, with a small whitelist.
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>Next step, certainly to outlaw most operating systems and older devices. They won't have to. Instead, they'll just make some new essentially mandatory tech which older devices cannot run – update or stop existing, societally. ---- Phones and email already seem this way (i.e. "required") – from my perspective as an internet user whom doesn't use phone/email, personally. Nobody believes me when answering "no phone, no…
Email is the most free, decentralized communication channel we have. It’s fully async, so you consume it at the pace you want. What makes you against emails? Just curious
SPAM-rant: I personally feel that a system needs to exist/replace email... which uses some sort of low-tx-fee crypto to "cost money" for each and every email sent. The recipients could then "refund" such fees, optionally & consentually, when they've determined that sender worthy of free-contact.
Everybody else should have to pay to call/text [Ω]. Since no such system publicly exists: I opt-out.
[†] personal anxiety is my biggest reason for hating inbox-opening
[Ω] e.g: similar to postal mailings
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Because in the UK people believe, media enhances this, they can get stabbed for little to no reason or over a small argument due to mostly due to social tensions but also poverty. In the US it seems you have a high chance of not getting stabbed/shot if you don't agitate. So I think the paranoia about knives does not correlate with the likely hood of getting stabbed but with the unpredictability of it. I agree that th…
Did you see the news from Belfast today?
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Yes, and I'm advocating for a specific quadrant.
You only get to choose a half. The previous guy chooses the quadrant.
Pro-social actions are taken more often if you believe others will also take pro-social actions. The best way to do it is to believe you're the same as other people and that other people are good, and that you're not the patsy when you take a pro-social decision and others don't. Because you're the next guy for someone.
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> Its a second order effect. The problem is predators get children to take pictures and distribute them. It isn't. The solution is obvious. You punish the predators and not the children. > My understanding of what is being proposed is that cameras will have basic nudity detection on them, and they will refuse to take the pictures if the device is registered to a person under the age of 18. Which seems both problemati…
I am deeply worried about privacy. the problem that I have here is if we don't provide a sensible middle ground, we will get a terrible solution imposed (ie the age gate spyware, instead of the rollingo ut of the mobile block lists the UK already had) > It isn't. The solution is obvious. You punish the predators and not the children. the core problem is that in the UK more and more CSAM is being prodiced by kids them…
The problem here that if every year you're asked to make a new compromise between where you are and a fascist police state, you're only traveling in a single direction on the road to hell.
To actually stop them you need to turn around and go the other way. Dedicate your efforts to removing the existing authoritarian surveillance apparatus so that they have to spend their resources to stand still instead of you, so that failure is "it stays the same" and success is "authoritarianism declines" instead of the unacceptable premise that the only options are making it worse or making it worse even faster.
> Now, because the person extorting them is not taking the pictures they had a defence of "they were sent to me, I didn't know what to do so deleted them blah blah blah"
Any kind of sensible court is going to both take evidence of the extortion as an invalidation of that defense and also convict them of the extortion.
Moreover, "it's sometimes hard to punish the perpetrators" is a ridiculous rationale for punishing the victims in their place.
> But we can't get to that yet, because Ad tech/meta/google doesn't like that.
We can't get to that because that doesn't actually work, for multiple reasons in this context:
The first is the same reason every piece of Hollywood content is in the hands of pirates despite Disney et al demanding useless DRM. It simply doesn't work; a single vulnerability allows every piece of content to be extracted and once extracted by any one person it can then be distributed to an unlimited number of others forever. The entire premise is snake oil. The reason Hollywood wanted it to begin with, and Google and Apple adopted it to use against them, is the same -- it's hopeless at preventing copying but it enables the monopolization of devices because then unapproved competing devices are illegal.
The second reason is that the person in an image is not necessarily the person who owns the device, and the device has no way to know that. It does you no good for the "owner" of the image to control it when the device thinks the "owner" is the predator.
And the third is the pragmatic issue. People expect to be able to take a picture and share it with whoever they want. You take a picture of yourself and text it to your mom, both you and she expect her to be able to email it to friends and family etc. You take a picture of a defective mannequin to file for RMA and you expect the customer service rep to be able to upload it into their internal RMA system or forward it on to the manufacturer in another country. If the default doesn't allow this then people will justifiably object. But if it does then 99% of people will never change the defaults or even realize that they can, and then the proposal is worthless because the default everyone wants for the common case is exactly the thing you don't want in the problem case, since then the default allows the picture to fall into the hands of a thousand strangers and devices that aren't in the authoritarian ecosystem and you can't get the cat back in the bag.
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Those who would think of such a passage (or any biblical passage) and those who push for a total-control agenda are disjoint sets. Communism and fascism were both fueled by atheism (either explicit or functional), not a Judeo-Christian worldview. "Ohne Gott und Sonnenschein bringen wir die Ernte ein." (Without God and without sun, we will get the harvest done.) - the slogan of East Germany in 1975 when people were hu…
The existence and polularity of Christian socialist movements in Europe contradicts this thesis strongly.
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> think of it in terms of graph theory perhaps, edges and nodes and all. So we should ban letters as well because of all the badness they facilitated? Lots of crime has used telephones, we should also ban telephones yes? Because graph theory's etc?
again, bad faith argument. as you said, the internet isn't being banned, so why would you stretch what i said to mean "ban letters"? sending letters to minors might require age verification if it were a real problem, you already need to verify your age to open a cell service, children can't sign up for mobile plans. you're trying to make this about something it's not so you can win an argument, I don't care who wins…
The internet doesn't cause slavery. It's facilitates it in the sense that its a communications network. To say THE INTERNET caused slavery is like saying telephones cause drug dealing because dealers use phones to contact drug users.
> sending letters to minors might require age verification if it were a real problem
Lol