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32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Post by at-fates-hands »

snkline wrote: post #17
Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #5

This is the PCPartPicker chart that I monitor: https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/#ram.ddr5.5600.... - $900 for 2x32GB, used to be $200 a year ago.

The memory in the PC I put together early last year is now worth about three times the total cost of all the parts I used to build the thing. It is absolutely crazy.

I'm still flying under the radar with a Dell Precision T5820. 128GB of DDR4 and a Quadro P4000 graphics card (8gb). Handles everything I need it to do including photo/video editing, and some random FPS games without any issues.

I was thinking of upgrading the video card to something better, but looking at the cost of replacing that Quadro? I might just stay put for now. Costs on those have also pretty much doubled.

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Post by HumanOstrich »

cromka wrote: post #331
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value of my desktop pc has almost doubled, my ps5 is worth ~ $150 more than I bought it years ago. It's gotten to the point where nvidia doesn't even bother to report their gaming revenue anymore. It's a clear sign that we're back to the bad old days of pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, but don't worry I'm sure nvidia and their ilk are salivating at the idea of making pc gaming into a streaming stadia like solu…

> pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, As much as I hate to say it, the move at this point is GeForce Now, at least for the time being... I just subscribed to the 200 USD/year Ultimate plan with a free 007 game. My ping to the datacenter is a mere 5ms, with 5080, RTX, 4k@60Hz (which my projector can drive) I am getting way more performance and similar latency than I would if I were using my own, semi-affordable rig or…

Great if you have fiber and live down the road from the datacenter.

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Post by cromka »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #342
cromka wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, As much as I hate to say it, the move at this point is GeForce Now, at least for the time being... I just subscribed to the 200 USD/year Ultimate plan with a free 007 game. My ping to the datacenter is a mere 5ms, with 5080, RTX, 4k@60Hz (which my projector can drive) I am getting way more performance and similar latency than I would if I were using my own, semi-affordable rig or…

Great if you have fiber and live down the road from the datacenter.

I'm actually some 200 miles from the data center, but Nvidia has been doing a stellar job in connecting to the backbones of all the major ISPs around. If I actually lived down the road from them, it would be as low as 1 to 2ms, as reported by plenty of users. This isn't uncommon, especially in the EU.

But yeah, you need a fiber.

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Post by ChoGGi »

ItsYan wrote: post #280
mathgeek wrote: post #171

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> I'm sure it doesn't help that people continue to buy things at this price. Implicitly, but that's blaming the consumer who has no or few equivalent choices. Purchasing RAM is not like choosing between Coke and Pepsi. A better analogy is that when a hurricane is coming or a natural disaster has already hit, it doesn't help that people will purchase food and fuel at any price.

People can choose to use online services to game or other various ones for compute. The demand is surely more elastic than food and fuel after a natural disaster. The consumer can also forego any purchases.

Instead of buying local hardware, I should give money to data centres? Aren't data centres the ones ramping up prices for everyone else?

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Post by Shitty-kitty »

wahern wrote: post #260
Shitty-kitty wrote: post #114

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The plan details how those chemical storage tanks are designed and constructed. The monitoring, in place, the contingency plans. It raises the stakes, Obviously they can still cheat but now it's a matter of criminal negligence not civil law.

Sure, but in terms of expenditure and especially time (and time is a huge expense because of the cost of raising and securing financing) that work doesn't make up the bulk of the cost. There's nothing wrong with impact statements themselves. You need independent assessments of hazards beyond the well known ones like chemical storage, where in most cases existing codes and regulations are more than adequate. It's that…

Environmental review is just part of the permitting by state and local authorities. you could completely get rid of it and still not get your permits. I agree with many of your points but you are railing against the wrong culprit.

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Post by kevinkeller »

runjake wrote: post #228

Crucial has "good" prices for DDR5 6000mhz memory on Amazon. The downside is you have to wait for shipping -- I had to wait a couple weeks. I bought when these were $300 and equivalent memory prices were like $500 at the time. Been solid so far for 6-ish months. https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-6000MHz-Overclocking-Desktop-...

Micron has exited the consumer business, so this is only till stocks last: https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-deta...

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Post by soulofmischief »

cromka wrote: post #331
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value of my desktop pc has almost doubled, my ps5 is worth ~ $150 more than I bought it years ago. It's gotten to the point where nvidia doesn't even bother to report their gaming revenue anymore. It's a clear sign that we're back to the bad old days of pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, but don't worry I'm sure nvidia and their ilk are salivating at the idea of making pc gaming into a streaming stadia like solu…

> pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, As much as I hate to say it, the move at this point is GeForce Now, at least for the time being... I just subscribed to the 200 USD/year Ultimate plan with a free 007 game. My ping to the datacenter is a mere 5ms, with 5080, RTX, 4k@60Hz (which my projector can drive) I am getting way more performance and similar latency than I would if I were using my own, semi-affordable rig or…

It makes economic sense. A lot of my gaming happens on GeForce Now.

At home, I am still rocking a plain old GTX 1080 with an i7 6700k, it's still kicking ass a decade later and plays most of what I throw at it, and I have an M-Series MBP for work, though it's capable of running plenty modern titles on Ultra.

My Steam Deck absorbs the majority of my local gaming, however, even though I have to run games at lower spec. It's just an extremely convenient device and I dock it to my projector, which I run at 1080p@240Hz anyway because I prefer it over 4K@60Hz.

For things the deck can't handle though, GeForce Now rocks. If the Steam Machine doesn't become too expensive, I might snag one and a Steam Frame headset as well, and that will probably have me set through any impending breakdown in the supply chain for at least a decade. I'll probably be rocking this GTX 1080 until 2040, the way things are going.

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Post by soulofmischief »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #342
cromka wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, As much as I hate to say it, the move at this point is GeForce Now, at least for the time being... I just subscribed to the 200 USD/year Ultimate plan with a free 007 game. My ping to the datacenter is a mere 5ms, with 5080, RTX, 4k@60Hz (which my projector can drive) I am getting way more performance and similar latency than I would if I were using my own, semi-affordable rig or…

Great if you have fiber and live down the road from the datacenter.

I routinely use it over a 5G mobile connection, often while moving, far from any datacenter, and it's usually fine as long as my signal is good. They do a fantastic job out of squeezing what they can from your connection.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

Brybry wrote: post #279
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #252

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Sohcahtoa82/saved/n76zkL I think I paid a total of around $5,500 for the current components of my PC. Hard to say for sure since my PC has been a Ship of Theseus for over 30 years and started as a 486. The link merely reflects its current state. At one point, PCPartPicker was showing my PC as worth $11,000. It's now at $7,200 without including the RAM or PSU . That would put it at $9,000…

There's nothing wrong with 1080p gaming though. You can get a $200 to $300 microcenter cpu+motherboard+16GB DDR5 bundle [1], then $300-$400 GPU, and you'll be able to play nearly every game on the market just fine at 1080p. I'm sure there are pre-builts using stockpiled RAM that are similar $1000 price range. And if you buy used you can do even better. $300-400 might get you a 5060 or a 9060XT right now [2][3] but if…

> There's nothing wrong with 1080p gaming though.

Hard disagree. Once I went 4K, I could never go back to 1080p.

Sure, in an action-packed scenes of close- to moderate-quarters combat, I don't really notice it.

But in long-distance combat? Having 4x the pixels per square inch is noticeable. In slower scenes and cut scenes it's definitely an appreciable improvement.

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