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Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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I added an R9700 32GB to my 10+ year old desktop that had a 980 4GB card in it, for a grand total of $1350 or so. The payoff compared to what I was using with GHCP was 33 months, but when GHCP announced their price increase, it basically became a 3 month payoff at minimum (so yes, GHCP did a 10x price increase for non-parallel agentic workflows)

I can easily run Qwen3.6 35B-A3B with Q5_K_M with a 260k+ context window with some vram to spare. It easily runs probably 80tps. It took me quite a while to find the

Compared to GHCP Claude Sonnet 4.5 or 4.6, I have full parity. The wall clock time is faster for agentic workflows, and rule following is about on par.

With either, doing something kind of novel or obscure takes more hand holding compared to just generate a GUI or crud app. For example, trying to build an actual program that performs a complicated process correctly requires quite a bit of hand holding to get it to properly help.

Sure, it isn't Opus or something, but I think with the right harness, it probably can get close. I think most of the issues these days is the harnesses are lacking.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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I don't think there's any incentive for Nvidia to make this a Windows-only device, so most likely it will be fully supported on Linux, just like their GPUs are.

> just like their GPUs are So with proprietary blobs that give you more trouble that they're worth?

What trouble? If you want a GPU that works on Linux, let alone FreeBSD, you buy nVidia, install their drivers and get on with your life (and sure, maybe you can't use Wayland, but why would you want to?). I'm all for open-source in theory, but in practice the AMD drivers cause far more trouble than the nVidia ones ever do.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Doesn't it come with Nvidia's blend of Ubuntu with a custom kernel? Do other distros work as well as "DGX OS" or are nvidia's kernel changes pretty important to have?

Hopefully better than support on their Jetson or orin boards, where compiling anything is hard because of the outdated stack.

This plus the price different had me buy an AMD Strix Halo board last week. It seems the work with vLLM and training models could make the Spark worth the price difference, but before today's news I had the same thought about support and did not want to lock myself into a cool paperweight, especially with 128gb of RAM on the line. AMD is x86 and I can repurpose that or run Linux forever.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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128 GB at 600 GB/s for this versus 32 GB at 1800 GB/s for 5090. This is much better value than 5090, you can run much bigger models.

Here's a pretty detailed breakdown of this [1]: > tl;dr - For software development, Qwen3.6 27B, 5090 gives you ~3x speed over M5 Max, letting you plow through code, while M5 Max gives you ~4x memory, letting you use higher quantization and bigger context. Which would you choose and why? I've read a number of things from which the consensus seems to be that yes you can run a larger model and/or have more context with…

He's saying there is a niche where models are too large to practically run on 5090, but are still runnable on DGX Spark.

The larger memory also allows for pre-training / finetuning models, hence why it's aimed at developers.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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IMO it's only a matter of time before "self-hosting local AI" is as complicated as installing an app and clicking a download button. And when that happens, the pitch to non-techy users is "Free ChatGPT you can use offline with zero privacy risk". Once hardware accessibility and LLM efficiency advance to the point that this becomes feasible, I suspect it'll result in a much bigger hit to the cloud AI market than many…

That workflow has been around for awhile now. I'm sure there are others but LM Studio has a model browser in app that effectively simplifies things to hitting download and hitting launch. The complexity tends to be in that there's a lot of models to choose from and also knowing how to set up whatever tool you're using with a local model. None of it's particularly hard, unless you start trying to customize settings. I…

LM Studio Link is brilliant, outside their central login/auth requirement. Tailscale is the backbone, I think, so it makes sense but I'm sure a method with wireguard could exist and enable similar performance.

the current dielmma for me is how do I install a model on a remote LM Studio device without bypassing Lm Studio to SSH or remote in?

> lms link [servername] get model ?

> lms get [servername] model ?

> lms get model --link [servername] ?

Maybe I need to read the docs again but I swear the only way is remote or go to that device and download via the GUI, ssh in and use the local cli.

Maybe can copy/paste from one device's downloads dir to the server? Maybe I need to try hosting models on my NAS and see if I can download from device 1 then run on device 2 without install/setup?

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Lots of comments are expressing skepticism about compatibility but it's pretty cool how Nvidia has the clout to convince a bunch of game publishers and creative apps to release Arm versions. Popular games like League of Legends as well as stuff like Adobe Photoshop and Premiere are getting native Arm ports. > Over 100 Windows software providers such as Adobe, Blackmagic Design, Blender, CapCut, ComfyUI and OTOY, and…

Will this push even more games into Linux?

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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This seems to be an attempt to compete with people running local models on Apple hardware—even though those local Mac Mini setups aren't really powerful. I expect we'll get there in a few years, so perhaps this is Nvidia taking an early step in that direction. In that case, this goes against Anthropic and OpenAI's business models. Which is a double whammy after Jensen Huang's recent comment about how agentic coding w…

I don't believe Anthropic and OpenAI are any more fearful of local AI than Google or Microsoft are of people hosting their own email. Local AI capabilities are growing at a rapid pace, but so is hosted AI. While you can do a surprising amount of useful work with a model occupying a few to a few hundred gigs of VRAM, the hosted models are going to be way ahead for a long time.

If it's something like:

- v4.5: 1x cost, 100% quality, 100% speed but maybe sometimes 80% speed because of load - v4.6: 3x cost, 105% quality, 80% speed most of the time depends - v4.7: 9x cost, 115% quality, 90% speed most of the time

Then people will either stick with v4.5 for everything it can do and, if knowledgeable, use v4.7+ for critical or specific tasks.

But if we add the option of:

LocalLLM: one time hardware + electricity cost, good enough quality for 90% of work, good enough speed for 90% of work, no vendor lock in/sudden cost spikes...

Then there is an edge to running it yourself unless you can burn investor cash to get to the next level.

I think the recent headlines on org token spend plus my own experience just today (June 1) with the new Copilot Pro limits is going to push those with the compute to run locally.

As of about 1pm today I did something to hit 47% of my entire June premium requests (copilot Pro, not converted).

As of 2pm I'm using Gemma 4 E4B on a 12gb GPU (with large context window) off my desktop to power VS Code with Copilot on my laptop. I'm going to build an AMD Strix Halo system next week when parts arrive so I can queue up a few models in parallel or work with something I need that much RAM for.

I'm not lifting the earth with my LLM setup. Gemma 4 E4B is solid for accelerating my current projects. and it's costing me pennies more per hour vs blowing half my Copilot Pro plan in a distracted morning.

I'm at a vendor conference this weekend that is showing off their Agent/Agentic workflows. Nobody can tell me how they balance the cost long term. Hopefully whoever the vendor is paying for their cloud LLM token usage doesn't spike cost in a year (or the vendor themselves) after companies convert and are trapped VMware style with these agent processes. You can bring your own (cloud) model subscription. I need to find out if we can point it back to our own local LLM endpoint and try local models for the same processes. Even if it takes 5x longer, it could be cheaper and more secure.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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The GB10 itself is pretty good and I love using mine for broad Linux development. But it's too expensive for consumer level pricing, and even for the "prosumer" the price is pretty stiff. Even if they dropped the CX-7 and halfed the RAM and shipped a smaller hard drive, would it be below, say, $2500 USD? I guess we'll see, but this variant is coming out pretty late so maybe it's just best to wait for the 2nd generati…

This feels like getting a foot in the door to ensure Apple doesn't entirely eat Nvidia's lunch if AI inference workloads start to shift from cloud to local. With MLX, Apple is building an answer to CUDA, and if people start switching from ChatGPT & Claude to some app that runs on their M5, suddenly Apple starts to look like Nvidia's biggest competitor. If Nvidia doesn't have a pathway towards getting hardware into th…

Apple seems to still own the creative space. If those tools are able to run local models for any AI workflows suddenly anthropic/etc could lose a massive segment. Or at least demonstrate to others wanting a slice of the cloud AI profits it can be done.

I'm here for it. Local models can do a lot of what I need at almost no cost, plus the fun of making them work better or building a new system to handle that aspect of my home lab. A Strix Halo system may not be amazingly fast but at 128gb of RAM it can keep up with most open models worth exploring.

Based on June 1 Copilot Pro plan premium token burn and cost, unless you REALLY know how to use cloud AI efficiently and are tooled up to do so a local LLM on hardware you may already own is very appetizing.

I converted a lot of work today to a 6.5gb local LLM on a 12gb GPU and no, it's not as good. But it is 'free' or at least feels that way, especially when I need to redo something and my copilot premium request % doesn't change.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's any incentive for Nvidia to make this a Windows-only device, so most likely it will be fully supported on Linux, just like their GPUs are.

> just like their GPUs are So with proprietary blobs that give you more trouble that they're worth?

I've never had a single problem with my Nvidia GPUs on Linux.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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I added an R9700 32GB to my 10+ year old desktop that had a 980 4GB card in it, for a grand total of $1350 or so. The payoff compared to what I was using with GHCP was 33 months, but when GHCP announced their price increase, it basically became a 3 month payoff at minimum (so yes, GHCP did a 10x price increase for non-parallel agentic workflows) I can easily run Qwen3.6 35B-A3B with Q5_K_M with a 260k+ context window…

Between that and the Arc Pro B70, they’re the 32gb cards that are actually affordable and worth getting.

I’ve got both (single R9700, dual B70) and they do nicely for about anything I throw at them, such that the latter has a visible improvement when the model is well-cached.

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