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EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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yes, i'm very in favor of the shift towards direct-to-consumer among chinese retailers, but that might be because i'm not actually all that sympathetic to small business

There is totally a market for a global website which instead of shipping goods direct from China by plane instead has local warehouses 1 per city and can deliver to your house within a few hours by motorbike. Aka like Amazon but with much smaller margins. The savings would come from the fact sea freight is so much cheaper than air freight.

Several AliExpress sellers advertize warehouses in EU, so guess they basically do what you say already.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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If you played a boardgame, wouldn't you be upset if someone won the game easily, because they decided to just break all the rules?

The rules where retail companies can extract value for no added value from consumers? And no the rules has not changed. It has always been allied to compete with importers trying to screw over consumers. Which law are you claiming was changed?

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Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Taobao and Temu are great. The quality is not always amazing, but the prices are low and many sellers even offer customisation. In Australia, the product selection is often limited, and a lot of local stores are just reselling Chinese-made products with huge markups anyway. At that point, you may as well order directly from China and save money. It also saves 10% GST.

Are we still not allowed to call out shills here? Is that still a rule?

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Say they carry on.... How does EU actually stop people ordering from their website and getting items posted to their house?

There are still borders and customs inspections, that's how.

Just in a poxy country like the UK it's millions of parcels a day delivered across multiple ports mostly inside containers.... It's simply not feasible to check it all, it would cost a ton of money to have enough checkers and not slow down deliveries.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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I think the line should be much earlier than that. But even with this very thin line, like the parent said, the deficient products are everywhere. Just look at the recalls in any major store here (Carrefour, Action, Leclerc). And that's for the main brands/distributors, go into any bazaar or market and you'll find the exact same products you find on Aliexpress/Temu, but with 10x price markup, like the parent said. Do…

There are generally two ways governments hold companies accountable for dangerous products. The first is liability. If they're selling chargers that burn down houses, they get sued, and they don't want to get sued, so they don't want to sell chargers that burn down houses. The second is regulatory requirements. This one is generally worse. The incumbents capture the regulators to e.g. have the law require their techn…

EU CE requirements are generally (outside some universally more regulated domains like medical devices) pretty lightweight to deal with, and pretty sensible. I've gone through them, and honestly the biggest pain is finding the applicable standard. Otherwise you basically just need to follow the standard and write up how you think your design follows it, and stick it into a drawer, most likely never to be seen again. You usually have to cause a very notable problem or be very obviously breaking the rules to get the regulator's attention.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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How can you be sure? How can you get the information to know whether or not your children's toys, your medicines, your electic equipment, wall paint, food, and everything else you consume or use is safe? You can't. So... abstain from everything? Make everything yourself - how will you have time with a job? Will you know the food you grow is safe and that your ground isn't polluted with things you can't test for at ho…

I don’t need to know if the plow has lead - I just test the Cheerios. Try again. You can answer the questions the exact same ways the other path uses, yes, and often with more rigor/vigor than just “legal minimum”.

You are believing a lie, then, and seem to have missed the point.

You simply cannot have the knowledge to know if everything is safe - no matter what your specialty, there are things you'll have to just trust others for safety. Sure, you might buy a lead test kit that someone else has made, but the only way to know that the test kit works is to monitor your family for lead poisoning unless you have specialized knowledge. And if you have that specialized knowledge, it'll come at the cost of other specialized knowledge. You can't personally know if that bridge you drive on is safe AND know about the metal in your plow AND know if the light bulb you bough is a hazard AND know that your antibiotic matches the label on the box instead of it being that one you are allergic to AND know all the other stuff is safe.

Everything requires trust in products or services unless you have information.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#349

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I think the line should be much earlier than that. But even with this very thin line, like the parent said, the deficient products are everywhere. Just look at the recalls in any major store here (Carrefour, Action, Leclerc). And that's for the main brands/distributors, go into any bazaar or market and you'll find the exact same products you find on Aliexpress/Temu, but with 10x price markup, like the parent said. Do…

There are generally two ways governments hold companies accountable for dangerous products. The first is liability. If they're selling chargers that burn down houses, they get sued, and they don't want to get sued, so they don't want to sell chargers that burn down houses. The second is regulatory requirements. This one is generally worse. The incumbents capture the regulators to e.g. have the law require their techn…

We've already tried the third one in the US before the FDA. A ton of people kept dying.

Milk was filled with borax and formaldehyde, coffee was cut with sawdust/charred bone/lead, spices were often 100% counterfeit.

The market (heavily) incentivized fraud.

In New York, in one year (1857), 8000 infants died to "swill milk" [0].

The second option (FDA and regulation) wasn't lobbied for, and the Food Bill of 1902 actually failed through heavy (counter)lobbying initially [1], until the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 [2] passed.

[0] https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1858/05/13/785...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Washington_Wiley

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Food_and_Drug_Act

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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And the losses from having warehouses storing zillions of products that do not get sold for a long time. There’s a reason the likes of Aldi and Lidl have limited product choice.

Aldi and Lidl deal with perishable goods. Temu (by and large) doesn't.

Aldi and Lidl sell way more than just perishable goods. You can buy electronics from there
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