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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by vlunkr »

platevoltage wrote: post #292
giancarlostoro wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Slob" / "slop" is thrown around so much I don't take anyone seriously who drops that word unless the output matches the commentary. There's definitely a lot of trash AI stuff out there don't get me wrong, but there's also insanely high quality AI generated things out there. Hell, I've sent people songs made in Suno, and they were surprised to learn that those were AI generated. If you open suno and type in "90s jazz…

I just don't get it. Music isn't just what comes out of the speaker. There are artists, with lives and influences behind the music. There is personal expression in the lyrics. Even when the artist chooses to remain anonymous, or they choose to not have lyrics at all, there is still something personal behind it. A DAW is just a tool, and it's a tool that can be used badly, for example, over produced metal with quantiz…

Yeah this is how I feel. People who like AI music seem to be a same people who would just throw on random "deep work" or "lofi" youtube playlists and let them run all day. That has never appealed to me. I like to learn about the artists and history.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by ksd482 »

I am really sick of AI generated videos. I don't have anything against AI videos per se but the fact that it's so easy to generate videos that people are churning out really really bad quality videos out there.

There's another phenomenon I have been noticing more and more lately: the frequent scene cuts. One scene lasts a mere 3 seconds before being cut to a different scene. Whether it is entirely different scene, or a different angle of the same thing or zoomed in/out.

I am not sure if this phenomenon is due to AI but I sense some correlation there.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by anigbrowl »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #244
throwaway85825 wrote: post #222

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Just re-upload it. AI generated work cant be copyrighted.

Even if the courts won't uphold the copyright, that doesn't prevent people from claiming your videos and initiating YouTube's copyright process against you. This is a recurring problem for people who upload their own original performances of public-domain compositions, particularly solo piano.

Indeed. False copyright claims should be illegal, they're an invitation to fraud.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by hunter2_ »

mancerayder wrote: post #301

Rich Beato can finally take a breath! Musicians truly hate the AI generated stuff, I guess in a way that only artists understand. I think it's completely different from AI generated code, in the sense that code is made by code, instead of code making music. People make music.

You have a point, but as a musician and programmer, I'm far more fond of AI generating things of a "no wrong answers" nature than things that are ostensibly correct.

Music does have certain notions of correctness (e.g., [0]) but with a very forgiving "know the rules, then break the rules" aspect. Code has bugs or it doesn't, and it's probably easier to debug human-written code (certainly easier to grok every line of a human-written PR, IMHO).

The real problem is with the domains that aren't at the far ends of this spectrum.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint#Species_counterpo...

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by shagie »

NuclearPM wrote: post #273
ellrob88 wrote: post #139

Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see creators pushing new 1-hr tracks every few days with no mention of where the music came from or the fact it is AI generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

There is a third option. We don’t care how the music was made.

There's certainly a bit of that. Years ago, I had various generative musicish on my phone that I'd listen to (e.g. https://endel.io https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endel_(app) ). There are also some soundtracks that are ok to listen to on repeat (though once you start recognizing what's next, then they become less useful because you can start listening to them - sim city https://youtu.be/j6mQc-9vCuE and eve online - looking now I see people have remixed that to 8h long tracks). I've also supported My Noise ( https://mynoise.net https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366075 ) and have some 1h long tracks that I can put on repeat (love the white noise rain, but gotta give a callout to 88 keys with some slider adjustments to get it "right" for what I want - https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/acousticPianoSoundscapeGen... most often equal parts brown, red, orange and light purple).

Music for Airports is ok ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_1:_Music_for_Airports https://youtu.be/vNwYtllyt3Q ... but there are parts in there that I recognize in the loop that bring me out of it being background and into something I'm listening to).

But yea... I want a soundscape and it doesn't bother me if it was something that was generative in 2018, or in 2026... or loops of recorded sound... I want something that isn't silence and that I can not listen to for four to eight hours... bonus if its enough "noise" that it doesn't even get picked up after noise suppression in a Teams call.

Space Banjo is great ( https://spacebanjo.com be it https://youtu.be/CLnHStt4mbs or https://youtu.be/ygYfJSTc_qQ ) ... but I like to listen to that when I can listen to it more.

There's also things like https://youtu.be/_egA9RZrD5k (and in this realm, I get picky https://www.youtube.com/@resomat6474 is pretty good, but some of it hits higher notes ... https://www.youtube.com/@TheJapaneseTown-jt6fy is pretty good too).

Again, this is more about wanting sound rather than music.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by numpad0 »

floxy wrote: post #332
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #327

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Having the incentive to do something and having the ability to do it are not the same thing. It's not like human-generated content is made of carbon and AI-generated content is made of silicon and the science of chemistry can unambiguously tell them apart. If you asked a million humans and a million LLMs to write a sentence on a specific subject, it's not implausible that one of the LLMs and one of the humans would o…

Right now the problem is the flood of low-quality AI spam that might (or might not) be low hanging fruit. We can worry about high quality AI artifacts later if that becomes a problem. (and yes, there is no guarantee that YouTube won't fail due to these spammers)

But is an algorithmic AI detector really a thing?

I get the idea: get 10k each samples of human data and AI data, train a simple classifier until it gets 99.9999% accuracy or Is such tool feasible at all with current state of AI technology, or is it just a reasonable take from the past that may not be so reasonable anymore?

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by serf »

bardackx wrote: post #298
spullara wrote: post #227

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A friend of mine who is a very non-technical dermatologist listens exclusively to Suno songs she made. All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? New music almost always targets young people.

I find super HARD to believe that we ran out of musicians doing music in the styles of the 80s/90s maybe your friend just doesn't want to search for new music, and that is ok, it's ok to be lazy, not a crime; but saying nobody is making such music is a sad excuse.

easily liking any kind of music only on the merit that it is human generated seems lazy, too.

similarly, firing up a music gen system rather than listening to a billy joel song for the 30,000th time seems less lazy.

say what you want about AI systems, people that I used to see idly sit at a screen and ingest things all day purely are creating things they like now and sharing them. The thing is easier but the engagement seems greater for a lot of people. It's not as black and white as "oh you're lazy." -- and, by the way , that seems so wildly inappropriate to label an unknown third party as site-unseen -- dare I say that seems lazy?

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by userbinator »

ellrob88 wrote: post #139

Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see creators pushing new 1-hr tracks every few days with no mention of where the music came from or the fact it is AI generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

That's actually how I fell down the rabbithole --- found these long mixes and started listening, enjoyed what I heard, then tried to find out more about the author and realised it was AI-generated.

People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

I admit to leaving praise on some of them, because they do sound really good, much better than what I thought AI music could be. Someone is creating music I like, and how they do it doesn't really matter; and in some ways, this makes it much easier to "separate the art from the artist".

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