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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by digitaltrees »

brightball wrote: post #295
adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #252

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In the past countries would buy American equipment even if it wasn’t the best fit because that would make you essentially an American ally. Being part of the U.S. ecosystem was valuable. Unfortunately, over the last 1.5 years, the political value proposition has turned by 180 degrees. - Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. But the U.S. has been tearing ag…

> Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. How much more is the US supposed to do in Ukraine beyond the $60-70 billion in weapons and supplies? Do we need to actually go to war with Russia?

How about $600 billion. Since when did the US say we are just going to let russia win because we don’t want to spend the money? What happened to “These colors don’t run” republicans? Oh wait it was BS all along. Got it.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by gostsamo »

lysace wrote: post #266
bluegatty wrote: post #260

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They are not likely 'giving' , Sweden just got $90B in locked up Russian money and those 'freebies' are going to come along with a major purchase order.

Unfortunately the EU still hasn't gotten the balls to confiscate that frozen oligarchy money, so no. Just wait, though. Soon you will cry. ;)

confiscating money is much bigger deal than you can imagine. Russia and the EU are not officially at war and just taking money because you can is a serious violation of fundamental rights.

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Post by stackghost »

ge96 wrote: post #6

Bring back the Arrow

The Arrow would be a terrible, terrible aircraft for today's world.

It was built to shoot down Soviet bombers coming over the North Pole. It could not perform air superiority missions because it was too big to be agile. It could maybe be a strike fighter, but generally its reputation overstates just how good it would have actually been.

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Post by throwaway27448 »

asdff wrote: post #316
throwaway27448 wrote: post #301

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Nazi Germany? Please. Jordan shot down Iranian drones to protect Israel just recently. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. There are Arabs in the IDF. Lets ground ourself in reality.

Jordan is our vassal. They will be on israel's dinner plate soon enough though

> There are Arabs in the IDF.

Oh that excuses the blatant genocide the IDF is carrying out then

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by mikestorrent »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #340
brightball wrote: post #295

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> Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. How much more is the US supposed to do in Ukraine beyond the $60-70 billion in weapons and supplies? Do we need to actually go to war with Russia?

> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed?

I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia with humanity instead of treating them like some boomer-era cold war bogeyman.

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Post by Spooky23 »

kshacker wrote: post #292
jleyank wrote: post #225

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Trump would have done nothing if he wasn’t aided and enabled by the rest of the government. There’s no indication this was a one off.

Sure, but look at the alternative. Oppose him and he will support your primary opponent, like it happened yesterday in Texas. The problem is his pied piper like hold on the populace which happened because the parties did not actually try to solve the problems. Sure they did solve some, but then they closed their eyes to the evils their group demanded - sanctuary cities on one side, and "right to life" on the other si…

The craziest maga people want open conflict.

We’re only a year into this madness. It’s only going to escalate.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by marcus_holmes »

mikestorrent wrote: post #347
marcus_holmes wrote: post #340

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> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Agree completely.

But part of that would be getting Russia to stop attempting to become a cold-war boogeyman, and stop behaving like a cold-war boogeyman.

Russia also signed that treaty, and is also blatantly breaking it.

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Post by fooster »

mikestorrent wrote: post #347
marcus_holmes wrote: post #340

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> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Appeasement does not work. It emboldens fascist dictators.
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