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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #301
ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #268

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"Other countries" means China here, I think. China got a little on board with the global capitalism (and lifted 800 million people out of extreme poverty along the way, if we're looking for the point), but never really embraced Liberalism and so ideally isn't the one aligning superintelligence. It would be lousy if Russia or North Korea or Somalia was in that position and it would be fine if the UK or Denmark or Braz…

If this speculated intelligence is so "super" why would it matter what its host country's commitments are? I would hope it would at least be intelligent enough to sort things out there? How can something be so potentially threatening, so "super," but also be like a baby, where we need to worry how its raised? Its super intelligent about everything except ideology? That doesn't really sound like (super)intelligence to…

A supervillain is nevertheless super. Intelligence doesn't correlate with morality- most probably there doesn't exist a 'true ideology' that can be solved for in absolute terms. Do you imagine a superintelligence could calculate how beauty 'ought to' be traded off against truth?

When I say China is a bad choice because it's not as liberal as ~the west, I do imagine a reader in China thinking the opposite. I don't think they're dumb and I don't think they've been duped; they have a coherent ideology that fits their values. I just don't want it to stomp out mine.

Maybe I'm wrong and you can solve for morality or at least the meta-morality of Liberalism/pluralism where you permit various moralities to coexist. Hopefully so. Maybe the value system in China is closer to mine than I imagine and it's just operating under different constraints. But I don't want to gamble on that when winning is within reach and is a guarantee given alignment to any human values is achieved at all.

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Post by anthk »

F3nd0 wrote: post #143
croon wrote: post #121

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"A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing." - Oscar Wilde Or one I prefer, though unattributed: "If the only lens through which you can view life is value in currency, that which is priceless becomes worthless."

> A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing. So the opposite of a Lisp programmer then!

A Lisp programmer it's very aware of the value of nil or ().

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by jjulius »

itsalwaysgood wrote: post #340
jjulius wrote: post #228

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Right? OP asked a very subjective question on a public forum and is bristling that other's worldviews/desires/goals are different from his.

This is a topic about predicting and preparing for the future. If you want to be snarky: this is hackernews, not reddit. Bring some logic into the discussion and stop fishing for points.

>This is a topic about predicting and preparing for the future.

This is a discussion that started about preparing for the future and has spawned multiple[2], fluid threads[3] of conversation[4] that aren't quite in line with "predicting and preparing for the future", some even with their own throwaway responses unrelated to "the topic"[5]. Should we lambast the person who posted the Lisp joke, too?

This particular conversation chain is about how one measures success, which I've discussed with logic in a separate[0] response. Future success looks different for all of us, and there are a wide variety of ways for us to get wherever those goals are.

>If you want to be snarky: this is hackernews, not reddit.

Oh, no snark was intended. OP asked a question on a public forum and started getting snarky themselves[1] towards people who shared their subjective response, and my intent was to point out that it's OK for us all to view success differently.

>... stop fishing for points

Is this not snark based on your own assumption that I care about meaningless internet upvotes?

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48235299

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48235315

[2]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48234258

[3]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48234631

[4]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48234238

[5]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48234819

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by 2b3a51 »

testfrequency wrote: post #240
evilduck wrote: post #102

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How many people from that era still exist at Apple to be holding a grudge like that? Genuinely curious, since it's been a very long time since he was last involved at Apple.

A lot. Apple has pretty impressive retention, more than everywhere else I’ve worked in the Bay Area. Many people work there to retire, so the age demographic skews older. I worked there close to 20 years and that’s not even in the longer end comparatively. Also Woz still goes to campus every so often, it’s not like he’s banned or not accessible. Deep loyalists though love to mock him for being a bit…too honest…which…

Very successful large company retains staff until retirement. I find that vaguely reassuring. Hope the trend catches on. Thanks for posting this observation.

Loose cannons have their uses in organisations (they can say things senior people find uncomfortable without fear of repercussions).

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Post by sam1r »

devsda wrote: post #205
graemep wrote: post #146

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A view that is not shared always by LLM cheerleaders. Part of Sam Altman's defence of the environmental impact of AI is that it is less than that of a human life. "He said it was unreasonable to focus on "how much energy it takes to train an AI model, relative to how much it costs a human to do one inference query." "It takes like 20 years of life and all of the food you eat during that time before you get smart," he…

It took a 100 billion people and their knowledge,experience to generate the data to train an AI. So that cost also comes under the environmental costs to build his version of AI. unless he plans to freeze the training data at this point and use that for another billion years, the cost of building AI will always be more than the cost of humanity.

>>> the cost of building AI will always be more than the cost of humanity.

Wow! Well said! so shouldn't we focus on ... fixing humanity first?

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

kolinko wrote: post #190
leonidasrup wrote: post #184

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As much as it costs Woz nothing to be AI sceptic, Erich Schmidt has to loose much if AI investments don't deliver. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/21/eric-schmidts-family-office-...

Which, one might argue, shows he believes it. He's putting money where his mouth is.

i don't think you appreciate the degree of cynicism required to become a billionaire.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

kakacik wrote: post #313
lokar wrote: post #303

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A bit off topic, but about commencement speeches... Marvin Minsky spoke at my graduation. It was around the time when it seemed like genetic therapies might solve all kinds of problems, and there was a big debate, moral objections, etc. Most of the talk was a rambling rant against religion holding us back from scientific improvements to life. It did not go over in the mostly christian crowd. I loved it.

Its not a rambling but sad fact of life, one of the failures of mankind so far. And we don't need to talk about some backwater 3rd world country (actually we do) - US has big issues allowing basic science to be taught to kids, because of some set of stories and anecdotes from various people gathered over centuries together about some potential events around one mason who started yet another sect 2k years ago, and the…

I just yesterday watched a scathing video about why the US has always had a major strain of anti-intellectualism, starting from the very first colonists:

https://youtu.be/j9MubNsh3rs?si=wpG1YLDz_Y9cOECQ

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Post by vips7L »

pjmlp wrote: post #92
paganel wrote: post #82

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> internal memo requiring all code to be produced from prompts That is absolutely insane. Thing is I can honestly believe that it happens, which makes it even more insane.

This is basically the next step of all the AI trainings and hacktons that many of us are now required to take part into, with KPI metrics on how each one is using their tokens.

https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn

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Post by hirvi74 »

beej71 wrote: post #335
StilesCrisis wrote: post #122

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I saw him give a graduation speech over twenty years ago, and to be honest, he was not a great public speaker then--he rambled and lost the plot. But twenty years is a long time, so he may be amazing now! I love the quote.

Same, except not at a graduation speech. He was just all over the place, but I loved every second of it. :) As a nerd of the 80s, I'd take that over the sterile CEO BS any day.

> He was just all over the place

I feel like that is a trait necessary to do what Woz did throughout his life.

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