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Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by 5upplied_demand »

kstenerud wrote: post #338
freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

> Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. So... collective punishment? https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art...

In the current environment, taxpayers are collectively punished.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by scarby2 »

ubermonkey wrote: post #263
WillAdams wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Or barbers.

The reason we have licencing for barbers is that existing barbers wanted it and persued regulatory solutions to protect their market.

Existing police officers do not want this.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by autoexec »

elicash wrote: post #71

I’ll cut against the grain here and say it’s ABSOLUTELY appropriate for taxpayers to pay the bill here. It’s pretty toxic that people don’t want to take responsibility for their own government in a democracy. In this case, it’s especially bad, given the sheriff is elected by the people directly. But I’d go even further and say even where control is less direct, we need incentives for voters to take this stuff serious…

This seems to imply that voters elected someone because they campaigned on violating civil rights or breaking the law. That's rarely the case (Joe Arpaio is one exception). If an elected official breaks the law and/or violates the constitution they are still the one responsible for their actions, not the voters. If voters continue to elect someone with a record of breaking the law and ignoring people's rights that's a problem too, but not one that higher taxes due to fines and settlements is going to fix.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

autoexec wrote: post #334
koiueo wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For which they'd pay with taxpayer's money anyway

Just make them pay for the insurance out of the pension fund. Better yet, make individual officers personally liable for acts outside of their official duties such as civil rights violations and crimes. After the first few cops lose all of their money in court the rest of them will start actually policing themselves.

> make them pay for the insurance out of the pension fund

The pension payments will be increased. There isn’t a good solution for this other than individual liability.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

malshe wrote: post #340

On a related note, if you want to know more about the power of sheriffs in the US, I strongly recommend this book- The Highest Law in the Land: How the Unchecked Power of Sheriffs Threatens Democracy by Jessica Pishko

Huh? It is the opposite. It is the local enforcement and consideration that keeps the reckless federal encroachment from happening more often.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

kstenerud wrote: post #338
freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

> Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. So... collective punishment? https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art...

Yes, collective punishment of the smaller collective who can self-police (cops, no pun intended) rather than the larger collective who can't (citizens and taxpayers at large).

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by thrance »

epolanski wrote: post #137

Why's everyone picking (rightfully) on the sheriff alone and ignoring that he got a legal warrant from a judge, and that the defendant was then later kept in prison by a judge?

And don't forget the Sheriff's electoral mandate. The locals played a part in it too.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by pixl97 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #164
adampunk wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not Europe. They had a whole vote about it and everything!

Telegram creator arrested for the crimes of his users on his platform. He did not commit any of these crimes, he's being held as complicit, when every other social media giant is not being held to this standard, and its ridiculous to hold most platforms like this liable, unless it's the only thing they host. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel...

> when every other social media giant is not being held to this standard, and its ridiculous to hold most platforms like this liable, unless it's the only thing they host.

My guess is there's a little bit of confusion on why this happened on your part. If the government wanted to, they can and will go after the other platforms. But you see the other platforms aren't end to end encrypted and gladly give up the data to law enforcement. If they keep giving over the data, there is no risk of prosecution.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by wat10000 »

mjh2539 wrote: post #328
wat10000 wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it their job to lie to me?

When trying to obtain evidence, investigators or regular officers will make frequent recourse to lies and intimidation to get you to admit to things that you may or may not have done. For example, "If you don't tell us where you were that day, CPS will take your kids away" or "Look, if you just admit what you did, we can let you go" or "We've already detained your wife/brother/mother/father and they've fessed up; jus…

I'm well aware of when they will lie, but it's a choice, not an inherent part of the job.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by valbaca »

kstenerud wrote: post #338
freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

> Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. So... collective punishment? https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art...

Police aren't "protected persons"

> civilians who find themselves in the midst of an international armed conflict or military occupation and are in the hands of a foreign power

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