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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by mschuster91 »

watwut wrote: post #291
mschuster91 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People from the industries he operates in were screaming from the rooftops about him for years. Tech people chose to actively ignore their colleagues in automotive and space. The thing is... SpaceX and Tesla actually delivered something, in the case of Tesla at least until that damn rust bucket. They were (and, with the exception of the rust bucket, still are) miles ahead of the competition. Back when Musk proposed…

> Back when Musk proposed buying Twitter, the site already was in the gutters, there's a reason that place was up for sale. Bugs littered everywhere, reliability issues, the disaster that was the universally hated 2019 redesign, sex spam bots, trolls and propaganda farms running the show Frankly, bullshit. It worked reliably, extremely so. It had remarkably few bugs too. It was also actually doing way better financia…

> Frankly, bullshit. It worked reliably, extremely so. It had remarkably few bugs too. It was also actually doing way better financially. It was not perfect ... but all the issues you claim it had became massively more worst.

I did not claim that Musk improved on the issues, quite the contrary. It seems many people did not read the very last sentence. I also wrote:

> People actually hoped that Musk would turn the sinking ship around.

Quite obviously I am referring to what was the situation back in 2022. Past tense.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by the_doctah »

shimman wrote: post #166
the_doctah wrote: post #121

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Yeah canceling USAID programs that made the difference between life and death for millions of people around the world. Were you in a coma during DOGE in 2025 or are you being purposely selective in your memory? Nothing hysterical about killing millions of people, hopefully there becomes a movement in the US to not only try Elon Musk at say the International Criminal Court (which we all know will lead to successful co…

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by bigbuppo »

charcircuit wrote: post #231
badlibrarian wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence degrades, memories fade, witnesses die. Generally the worse the crime, the longer the statute of limitations. Murder in most places has no limit. Also, if someone hasn't committed a crime in, say, 20 years, there's questionable need to lock them up for three years to deter the behavior. Goal is to optimize the overall system even if some people slip through the cracks.

>Evidence degrades Maybe in the past, but with modern technology that isn't always true. Statue of limitations comes from a time before even cameras existed.

The purpose of the law isn't revenge.

Also, I see many other people in this thread confusing criminal law and civil law, which is a bit sad to see on a place like HN.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by testfrequency »

greenpizza13 wrote: post #272
asadm wrote: post #258

I feel like there still needs to be a penalty to OpenAI here even if that doesn't favor Musk (even though he funded the whole thing). It is still a theft.

Need standing to claim theft, need to be within statue of limitations. It's not theft unless a jury says it is, they didn't say it is.

Every AI model swallowing the entire world of digital and physical data to then be resold back to the people will forever be the biggest heist ever pulled off in our lifetime. I’m shocked how little it gets talked about, and how convenient it is that many of these companies lost or burned their paper trails

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Post by [deleted] »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #219
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #159

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Musk should have just made another company and then he’d have another 500 billion but he had that mistake and now it’s over. Then again we’ll see how well open ai does over the long term

I sometimes wonder, what does one need a second 500 billion that the first 500 billion is not enough for?

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by SilverElfin »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #318
granzymes wrote: post #81

Because no one has commented yet on the legal significance: Musk lost today because the jury found that he waited too long to bring his claims. The jury answers only yes/no questions, so we do not know their exact thoughts, but it is likely they determined that the 2019 and 2021 Microsoft deals were too similar to the 2023 Microsoft deal that was the centerpiece of Musk’s lawsuit. Musk could have brought the same law…

There sure was a lot of days of testimony on Sam Altman lying, for this to come down to " statute of limitations". Shouldn't the defense have raised the statute of limitations much earlier?

Agree. If this is a precondition, why force people to share their diaries and stuff? Is it all to claim they hid material things that would have led to an earlier filing?

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

granzymes wrote: post #81

Because no one has commented yet on the legal significance: Musk lost today because the jury found that he waited too long to bring his claims. The jury answers only yes/no questions, so we do not know their exact thoughts, but it is likely they determined that the 2019 and 2021 Microsoft deals were too similar to the 2023 Microsoft deal that was the centerpiece of Musk’s lawsuit. Musk could have brought the same law…

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by beambot »

mrhottakes wrote: post #203
atom_arranger wrote: post #137

Aside from the disagreements between these parties, what about the precedent of running a non-profit, and then transferring all IP to a for profit when it’s convenient to do so? I wonder if the government or taxpayers have a case to bring regarding that.

Transactions like that happen all the time and are not problematic if handled legally. Any of the interested parties could have sued over it, but none have.

Or more specifically: One just did sue, but lost because he waited too long.
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