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If AI writes your code, why use Python?

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Re: If AI writes your code, why use Python?

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Post by adastra22 »

bfung wrote: post #232
shepherdjerred wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why use Go when you can use Rust?

1. Amount of Rust training data isn’t as much as Go. 2. Golang syntax and style is very verbose yet simple. There’s not as many options nor programming language to domain mapping needed as in Rust. Leads to needing less sophisticated LLM to spit out Golang than Rust successfully and efficiently.

This must really depend on your niche. I assume you do web stuff or something? Good luck finding any golang examples in a lot of other fields. Rust, on the other hand, is taking over the world in systems programming.

Re: If AI writes your code, why use Python?

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

Because there is no negatives, only positives.

I can maintain the Python code myself and I can execute it everywhere.

If I let my LLM write in Rust then when things break I am out of luck. Also Rust needs to be compiled which means I can't just share the code as freely.

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Post by repiret »

My experience is that there's a correlation between powerful type systems and the property that once your program compiles, it's correct. Compiles == correct is rarely true in C or JavaScript. It's often true in Haskell and Rust. TypeScript is somewhere in between C and Rust.

There's a niche available for a language which is relatively easy for a human to read, but with a very powerful at the expense of difficult to use type system. The language would let you make all sorts of assertions whose meaning are easy for the human to see, but to compile would need to come along with correctness proofs. The language is meant to be written by AI, which can battle the compiler, and write the proofs, but then read by humans who can verify that the AI wrote the program they wanted and/or direct the AI to make changes.

Re: If AI writes your code, why use Python?

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Post by stevefan1999 »

thefounder wrote: post #312
stevefan1999 wrote: post #308

Really controversial but my honest opinion: That's because programming languages, and its natural language counterpart, too, are nowadays increasing and more likely in becoming a political tool, rather than itself being a tech tool. I observed this through observation of the attacks to Rust due to the huge presence of LGBT people. Now while I'm pretty much straight myself, I don't reject LGBT people and don't want to…

Why we have discussions about sexual orientation on programming languages? Could this really go any worse?

I won't say it is just because of sexual orientation, but more because of the identity politics associated with it.

Not just like "what kind of gender people I like" this kind of oversimplification but it's more about your attitude towards gender stereotypes and roles, for that's what I saw in a more deep connotation.

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Post by phillc73 »

gertlabs wrote: post #283
isityettime wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see how they do with functional languages and especially Lisps here. I've noticed pretty good performance with Emacs Lisp relative to overall model strength, but I haven't used LLMs to application code in any such languages. It would also be interesting to see how Python compares to other languages in its niche (Ruby, Perl, Raku). Thanks for putting this together! It's interesting.

That's a good idea. Would you rather see Lisp or Scala? Any interest in Prolog? We are trying to be selective to keep the data concentrated, but we will eventually add a couple more, most likely to sample different programming paradigms.

Just last night I was going down the rabbit hole of "what's the best programming language to use for vibe coding." I came to a short list of:

a) Typed Racket

b) OCaml

c) Julia

I would love to see those three added to your benchmarks. And Mistral Medium 3.5 added to the LLM list, please.

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Post by not2b »

ambicapter wrote: post #132
not2b wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would matter if we were asking the AI to generate code open-loop: someone probably already wrote something close to what you asked for in Python. But if the agent generates code, tries to compile it, sees the detailed error messages and acts on those messages to refine the code, it's going to produce a higher quality result. rustc produces really good diagnostics. And there's a lot of Rust code online now, even…

LLMs don't actually semantically parse the error messages. They will generate the most likely sequence resulting from the error message based on their training data, so you're back to the training data argument.

They process those error messages in the same way that they process your instructions about what code to generate. It is just more commands.
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