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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Suppose it was CSAM in the mail, do you think a delicate touch is still warranted? The context matters.

It'd be a pretty horrible system if it was possible to get anyone you dislike tortured for a month by mailing them CSAM they didn't ask for...

Well her detention didn't happen immediately, it likely happened because she didn't respond to an email while they were investigating asking for more information, which she even admits.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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>the private for-profit prison system 92% of the prison system is government-run, no need to exaggerate. >conclude the US justice system and policing are designed for "high conviction rates, regardless of guilt or innocence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate You can see that's not a particularly useful metric to evaluate a legal system (and in the US, states, tribal, federal differ). Americans ostensibly…

Prisons in US might be run by gov but private companies profit heavily on services provided to these facilities. Basically everything possible is outsourced - commissary, food, healthcare, labour… Add that to highest incarceration rate in the world - around 600 people per 100k residents (japan for example is 40 per 100k). You get what people call for-profit prison system. It's not some secret or controversial claim.

>Basically everything possible is outsourced - commissary, food, healthcare, labour…

That's as true at the DMV as it is for the DOD and BOP, isn't it? Even Japan's system buys goods from the private sector and hires people.

The stated purpose of the prison system(s) is to store people away from communities as part of the justice process until they can reenter society. The evidence of that is clear in the inmates held, something to the tune of 1-1.5m when you add up state and federal prisons. I think it's straightforward to explain a higher incarceration rate than Japan through a higher crime rate than Japan.

Incarcerations (using yours) - US is ~15 times higher US: 600/100k JP: 040/100k

Murder (2023 [1]) - US is ~25 times higher US: 5.76/100k JP: 0.23/100k

Yes, there are more crimes than homicide, but the US trends more criminal and more violent than JP. Our demographics and culture are different than JP.

>It's not some secret or controversial claim.

It's a claim without direct proof relying on inference where people will see what they want to see like a Rorschach test, similar to calling a conflict a 'war for oil' or the broader description of the military-industrial complex.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1374211/g7-country-homic...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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> In the US, it's seen as a God-given truth that no innocent person should ever be punished. In the US, just as in Japan, as soon as you are arrested they begin punishing you. If there were a real assumption of innocence, jail would be pleasant and comfortable, and if you were WFH you wouldn't miss a day. There is a material presumption of guilt, even if there's some sort of ethereal theoretical presumption of innoce…

>if there were a real assumption of innocence, jail would be pleasant and comfortable, and if you were WFH you wouldn't miss a day. At some point, you have to hold the person and figure out if they're a danger or not. Not everything is an unpaid ticket, and jail is probably unpleasant because everyone involved is unpleasant. Has it ever been otherwise? >pay a bond which you will never get back (because you are too po…

IIRC the US has a bizzare system where you get a loan for bail from a private loan shark, so you pay a (not refunded) bond to the loan shark who pays the bail, then the loan shark (sorry, bail lender) eats the loss (or hires bounty hunters) if you skip town.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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How is this the third comment lying to defend Japan? This is the weirdest astroturfing I've ever seen. This isn't even something people argue over - there's a whole wiki article on how shitty the Japanese legal system is. Weebs are awful, I swear.

The issues with your comments are: 1) You obviously don't understand the Japanese legal system. 2) You're very comfortable lying, and making up false claims about the Japanese legal system. 3) You don't address your lies when they are called out. 4) There are genuine issues with the Japanese legal system that you could critique, but you're unable to articulate these issues and instead resort to (2). For example, you…

It’s higher than authoritarian nations lol, it’s insanely high. It’s not close to other nations in anything other than a very strict “99 is kinda close to 93 if we ignore the context of the number. Insanely confusing hill to die on…

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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A single valid complaint about a nation isn't inherently some kind of propaganda. The only type of account that would imply this in this scenario (other than an extremely ignorant one) is a Japanese sock puppet account, ironically.

Nope, it's an invalid complaint. You stated "they [Japan] swipe up every single criminal they can, plus a bunch of random people" which is utter bullshit and a total fabrication. If you didn't invent lies, then your comments would be received differently.

Ok dear, it’s called hyperbole

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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That's absolutely wrong. In the US it's closer to 93%. If you can't tell the difference between "sometimes we get the wrong guy, then let him go" and "we literally never make a mistake", I don't think this conversation can continue in good faith. Edit: Japan literally has a higher conviction rate than authoritarian regimes. It's like trying to argue the US doesn't have a birthing problem because we "only" have 5.6 in…

> In the US it's closer to 93% Yeah, you have no understanding of the systems you are talking about, nor any understanding of the numbers you are copy-pasting. You are comparing apples to oranges. The United States federal conviction rate, when measured using the same metrics as the Japanese conviction rate, is ~99.6% [0]. Read the Pew Research article Fewer than 1% of federal criminal defendants were acquitted in 20…

It’s not worth addressing all the inane stuff you made up here, but it is pretty funny that you essentially dance around the one problem I’ve mentioned, explain that Japan actually just incarcerates innocent people at twice the rate of the US only to let them go, and then complain I don’t understand the “legal system” (I’ve only mentioned one highly specific part so far). This is the worst astroturfing I’ve ever seen.

Edit: also very funny that you’re comparing it to the USA - one of the worst developed nations’ criminal justice systems. Shit I’d almost rather get arrested in Russia. Could you compare it to a nation that isn’t the constant butt of jokes in the specific topic we’re discussing?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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The charges were dropped. Regardless of your opinions on how an orderly government or justice system should run or how criminals should be treated, in this situation what happened was an innocent person was tortured by the state.

Even if you actually rape someone, if you settle with the victim jb cash, the charges are dropped. Something that really needs to change but seems to not be going so well.

Not saying that's what happened in this case by any ways, just that dropped charges = innocent isn't true. And I agree with the OP that knowing the context would help sympathize, especially given usually someone innocent would share that more proactively. Instead, many are even assuming this is something about foreigners, with absolutely no basis to assume that...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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When I lived in Japan, one of my roommates was a brown American dude of Dominican ancestry. He, like me, was a clean cut, hard working international student attending a well regarded local university. We had for many months on our daily commutes to and from our school seen an abandoned bike sitting in the bottom of a canal / ditch, and we only had 5 bikes between the 7 of us living in the house, so after many months…

>discarded, unused bike rotting in a ditch

Every bike in japan has individual registration or, same thing, a registered owner, as you found out.

You stole a bike, when you could have ignored it or reported it as a lost object.

There were consequences, which shows the system is working properly.

The police were surprisingly kind despite your actual crime, as you did not get the same treatment as the OP.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Wear a body camera while in public, one that is always recording. It won't save you from absurd prescription drug charges though.

>Wear a body camera while in public, one that is always recording.

You simply cannot film or take pictures of people in public without consent.

Doing this is a crime in Japan. You are thus advocating for people to commit crimes in Japan. Terrible advice.

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